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[Spazz]

^{Cheesy, right?}
I want to keep this as clean and short as possible to lessen the confusion, if clarification is needed just ask, I don't bite ;3
^{[.s]Well actually I do but that's for one person alone, no comment..[./s] APPARENTLY SHE'S NOT WORTH IT, RIP IDEALS}

Currently, still, on hold? Probably do some activity this coming weekend, if nothing pops up :l
^-- June 24th 2014

This idea spawned up when chatting in IRC about Delta with Derpduck (and possibly Orpheon?)
^{_{Which was originally called Orion back then, so the map name switched}}

A simple thing of just creating rooms of varying jumps mapped by anyone and connecting them with a series of move boxes leading to a possibly huge overall map or many versions. As for the style of the map, I can't leave it loose and voted/debated for as that'll go no where. Below is the guide I'm using to create my stand alone map of Delta (The example inside the information spoiler)

Please note, this is a Detonator map. This is not for Runner, Rocketman, or Secret. Please keep all jumps possible to a solo person, difficulty of the room will be rated out of a general #/10 and explicit #/100. The difficulty rating will determine it's location in the map, it's key to balance the jumps. I will be stitching, adding the gates and creating the entities in GB alone.

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All you need to do to take part in this, is create a 'room'. Literally just that, but it has to follow the guidelines shown in the Information tab below. This is an example of "Just create a room".. (Left is the background, right is the wallmask)


The entrance to the room is the Room Gate at the bottom, the ceiling is a killbox, the floor will push you down and left back to the gate to restart the jump (Did not add a + cabnet in this image, whoops..) There is another Room Gate at the end to move on

Here is everything you need to know for this Project!

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This is an EXAMPLE, it will not be the start for this collab project as this version is pretty hard overall
Delta is it's v1 state, as the last 'Next room' gate is cut off (Bottom right)


This is a puush image, it's not the actual map, you can find it in my map thread

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Blue = Movebox  \\  Red = Frag* ^_<3  \\  Green = Cabnet/Health
Yellow = Edge marking/CP marking  \\  Grey/White = Number/Words markings or hints
Orange = One way doors  \\  *Doupt there will be a need for Bullet/Player walls, can be discussed
Black = Collision  \\  90% Greyscale = Non-Collision


(*) Why Frag specifically? My favourite kill box, and it's encouraged to disable gibs as many will die^_<3
The two sets of five on the bottom right have an extra 2/4 pixels just to align up correctly,
they are to be placed next to each other and not on top/over lap each other

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Important!
The broken red line is a Red Team Spawn Wall, this way the Blue Team can NOT interfere with a point being capped
Capture points are to be highlighted with a broken yellow line in the black floor, not on the walls or the ceiling


Please note:
> More than likely, I might end up edited your room to accompany a Capture point or use one of my own rooms
> Your room does NOT need to have a capture point zone

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Delta is based of 7 pixels by 7 pixels to keep the GB clean, the Collab/Community version does not have to stick to this but please, I urge at the VERY LEAST 9 pixel space and a highly recommended 21 pixel space. The latter will allow you to use killboxes efficiently if they are right beside the gateway.


Please note:
> All gates TO a room must be coming down to land on a floor, halting their vertical movement
> Gates OUT do not have to be accompanied with a landing, but they can not be at an angle too difficult to enter
> There are as many gates OUT as there is IN to be even in case of speed running

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Inside the 'room' you create, you do not have to follow any specific setting, only the border has a guideline. I prefer to work on a 7 pixel standard so I'll round your room (Without altering it's contents!) in a square/rectangle to fit inside the map, this is to allow easy gateway creation. The entrance must be from above coming down and land a player at a full stop on the vertical axis. (See Next Room Gates) I can't hold you to anything, but please do not just submit room with only jumps that's passable without needing a detonation. Not all jumps are requiring a detonation to move about or backtrack so you can create 'doorways' and 'separations' at preference. (See rj_Technic's second and third jump room and the two near the top right)

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The rooms will be sorted out by graded difficulty. You can do this yourself when you post your room or leave that to me as well, however if the room has greater or less skill needed to complete, it will be moved about accordingly. There can't be an extreme range of difficulty change from one room to the next. I'd rather it be fair all around so it'll be a mix of 'first come first serve' and 'difficulty'. So whoever submits first, is closer to the original spawn. The rooms will get a rating on difficulty and pushed back to insert easier rooms before it. This way, the farther you progress the harder it gets and not another Flicky.
(Why do I continue to poke at Meow's map..)
MSPaint skills leveled up! +1

This image is not really how it's going to play out, after each cp cap the next room will be (hopefully) easier than the one before the recently captured point. However the more points captured, the stiffer and steeper that difficulty line becomes. I'll remake this with a better example soon enough.

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A good point from Derpduck is the entities are not all the same size, here is their list;
These are all that you should be concerned with, dimensions are width x tall

Spawn area = 7 pixels x 7 pixels
Move box = 7 pixels x 7 pixels (Any direction)
Kill box = 7 pixels x 7 pixels (Any type)
Spawn wall = 1 pixel x 10 pixels or 10 pixel x 1 pixels (Both teams)
Bullet wall = 1 pixel x 10 pixels or 10 pixel x 1 pixels (Players pass through)
Player wall = 1 pixel x 10 pixels or 10 pixel x 1 pixels (Projectiles pass through)
One way door = 1 pixel x 10 pixels (Players can enter in this entity halfway from the no entry side)
Spawn points = 2/3 pixels x 7 pixels (Both teams)
Capture zone = 7 pixels x 7 pixels
Cabnet (health/ammo) = 5 pixels x 8 pixels
Intel = 5 pixel x 5 pixels (It's not on pixel, more like on vector)
Intel door = 1 pixel x 10 pixels or 10 pixel x 1 pixels (Both team, players can not pass trough if carrier)

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Custom Entity 1 = 7 pixels x 7 pixels
Custom Entity 2 = 1 pixels x 10 pixels
Custom Entity 3 = 10 pixels x 1 pixels
Custom Entity 4 = 1 pixels x 1 pixels

The rest is below, mostly loose questions and confirmations

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Though this may be a community map, it does not have to end with everyone having their rooms compiled into one map with a simple list of names/participants. If you create enough rooms, feel free to create (Using the guides recommendations) a map dj_Orion_NAME being your username (short-form please, no alt names) to specify that is your split off. Please take heed and use common sense that you actually have a good number of rooms (and interesting ones) and not just a couple. I will not stop any pixel perfect spin-offs for the more advanced players/mappers, hell I want to see that happen. Be nice about it though

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Had to cover this, as a just in case. The poll before was not a 'limited time only, you snooze you loose' kinda of deal. No. It's open if anyone becomes interested with this idea/project and wish to join. It also served me and probably a few others incentive that Jump is still active in some minds leading to possibly more maps(? Maybe?) Either way, want to join? Just say so. Wish to leave? Say so, that and if you want your part taken down, otherwise it'll continue to be used. If you do not say something, no one will know, we can't mind read.

Having trouble deciding what kind of room to make? Use this for 7x7 reference, good place to start

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If you're unsure where to start, this is a simply grid for you to simply place tiles and connect them in various ways. I encourage to look at previous jump maps for ideas, but don't try to carbon copy, it's just not worth it. Good luck!

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This is just to keep track of « Last Edit: DATE, TIME by NAME » and any additions people request
This also applies to the two posts below in some regard as the Activity/Logs will cover most

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Edit: Reservation posts modified to hold content in the near future
Edit: Added Derpduck
Edit: Added a separate Quote/Questions section from Derpduck's good point
Edit: Added Entity size section
Edit: Changed 80% Greyscale to 90%
Edit: Added activity to Spazz's log

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Edit: Added Meow
Edit: Added activity to Meow's log
Edit: Added Meow's Product spoiler
Edit: Changed Quote/Questions to Notable Quotes
Edit: Added activity to Derpduck's log
Edit: Added Solo Product of Meow's Loop of F8 as a Remix by Spazz

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Edit: Added GridPlacement spoiler option
Edit: Added activity to Spazz's log

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Edit: Added new Product Loop of F8 Staged by Spazz
Edit: Renamed some pieces
Edit: Added 'Total Available: #' for Products
Edit: Product Loop of F8 Staged has been removed to be fixed

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Edit: Product Loop of F8 Staged has been fixed
Edit: Added purple text explanations to OP

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For those that don't know all of the box entities are 7x7 map pixels. I'll try to get more info on other numbers that you might need.

Completed, see Information/Entity sizes spoiler

Fifth: If this takes a long time to make and the sticky jumping physics are changed then what will we do?

Did not think of this Did notice a harsher response window from RJ in the 2.7 Beta, but DJ seems the same as it is currently (v2.6.9) However further in the future this may change so we'll accommodate when that happens

[Spazz]

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Participants: 3 Total / 3 Current / 0 Discontinued

Current: Spazz, Derpduck, Meow

Discontinued:


Activity/Logs:

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>Click here for my google drive<
April 1st: Rooms 001 A/B/C/D completed


April 3rd: Rooms 002 A/B/C/D completed

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"No idea what to do"

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Loop of F8

[Spazz]

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N/A

Total Available: 2

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NOW I REMEMBER WHY I HATE 1x1 PIXEL MAPS
If you can not see the image (Don't have a google account) click here to open folder on my drive
Map is compiled, feel free to host/test it/speedrun a 5-CP map

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Warning! Map is slow to load, there are nearly 5.6k entities

Please wait until tested before use
If you can not see the image (Don't have a google account) click here to open folder on my drive

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This took nearly an hour, GB started to lag due to the amount of entities :x

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[Derpduck]

Alright, I'll post now to follow this and provide some info.
First of all that's a pretty neat OP
Second: This could be a good map to use the multi-stage CP entity for extra spawns and simplification, while splitting the maps by difficulty.
Third: For those that don't know all of the box entities are 7x7 map pixels. I'll try to get more info on other numbers that you might need.
Fourth: I might make a more r/dj friendly version of GB for this.
Fifth: If this takes a long time to make and the sticky jumping physics are changed then what will we do?

[Spazz]

Added some stuff to my activity log, will post some more 'later today' (Apparently it's past 1am)

Second: This could be a good map to use the multi-stage CP entity for extra spawns and simplification, while splitting the maps by difficulty.

Way ahead of you

Fourth: I might make a more r/dj friendly version of GB for this.

Up to you, I'm using your current GB though I've noticed some talk in the comprehensive guide

[Dumbledank]

Count me in.

Here's a room I dub "loop of f8".
Rigorously tested a compiled version to prevent cheating.

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If you really want to you can actually continually loop around if you stick to the 8 pattern.

(Diagonal arrows are up moveboxes combined with left/right moveboxes. The diagonal moveboxes on the background are where the up moveboxes go and the left/right movboxes are 1px to the left/right)

[Spazz]

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Here's a room I dub "loop of f8".
Rigorously tested a compiled version to prevent cheating.

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If you really want to you can actually continually loop around if you stick to the 8 pattern.

Jesus, I'm going to have to test this. Look like fun but is most definitely going near the end or as a bonus

(Diagonal arrows are up moveboxes combined with left/right moveboxes. The diagonal moveboxes on the background are where the up moveboxes go and the left/right movboxes are 1px to the left/right)

I'll have to test this as well, the idea is great but unfortunately you can't overlap entities in the current GB
Edit: And entities even a pixel away can be effected by the other by a surprising amount, I'll turn 'snap to grid' off and place as close as possible, might even N++ edit it as a .ent file

[Dumbledank]

What version of GB do you have? I can overlap two moveboxes without one replacing the other providing they aren't directly over one and other (hence why the left/right moveboxes are slightly to the side). I did all of the moveboxes with snap to grid on as well :U

[Spazz]

Whaaa, where is this godly piece of work? It's always been Derpduck's Re-make, never really used any other and it overwrites overlaps

Edit: It couldn't be the 2.4 build could it? It's older than the re-make for date uploaded

[Dumbledank]

Yeah gb 2.4 by leiche is what I use, it seems to be more user friendly.

[Spazz]

I'll give that a shot, editing OP when I return to add new tiles for Colour Guide. Also, them orange boxes for the one way door was meant to be a line and arrow like the two below them. (Move boxes) I'll change that as well.

Did notice in "Loop of F8", on the second/last arrow in the jump, what's stopping you from going down/right instead of down/left though there is a move box, does it push you that far that fast?

Edit: Btw, I did say you do not have to follow the 7x7 like I do for the interior? It feels unusual to see you map like that..

[『AMLV』bobtehnoob]

Whaaa, where is this godly piece of work? It's always been Derpduck's Re-make, never really used any other and it overwrites overlaps

Edit: It couldn't be the 2.4 build could it? It's older than the re-make for date uploaded

Derp's remake only overwrites if the two entities have the same location for their base top left pixel/part of the grid.
Also, is there no way to erase some entities and not others?

[Derpduck]

Derp's remake only overwrites if the two entities have the same location for their base top left pixel/part of the grid.

This. I could change that since it can be annoying.

Yeah gb 2.4 by leiche is what I use, it seems to be more user friendly.

How could I improve that?

[Spazz]

Yeah gb 2.4 by leiche is what I use, it seems to be more user friendly.

Tested by placing two entities on top of each other and saved to an .ent, only one entities and it was the last placed.
So apparently it doesn't work for me..

Also, is there no way to erase some entities and not others?

Right click in any situation, it will rid whatever is in the brown pixels path for your cursor, however be careful with using the Next Stage Area as anything after that entity is placed is in another group

Yeah gb 2.4 by leiche is what I use, it seems to be more user friendly.

How could I improve that?

Entity overlaps
Menu size does not change on zoom (Even possibly a pop out menu from the border of the exe?)
If above is not possible, always have the Drag tab visible on screen (I've lost it many times offscreen and can not zoom out)

[Dumbledank]

Did notice in "Loop of F8", on the second/last arrow in the jump, what's stopping you from going down/right instead of down/left though there is a move box, does it push you that far that fast?

Yeah, I put that there to prevent people from skipping the entire loop

Edit: Btw, I did say you do not have to follow the 7x7 like I do for the interior? It feels unusual to see you map like that..

I'd like the entire map to follow the uniform 7x7 design so one part doesn't look wildly different from other parts

Yeah gb 2.4 by leiche is what I use, it seems to be more user friendly.

How could I improve that?

I like to be able to right click to drag around the map instead of using arrow keys.
Another minor thing I dislike about your version is that when you select an entity it doesn't appear in the centre of the cursor and appear to the bottom right.