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[MedO]

I read recently that there are two kinds of languages: Those that people complain about, and those that nobody uses.

I wouldn't hesitate to but Haskell on my resume if I had any actual experience with it. It shows an interest and preference for certain approaches (static typing, generic programming, learning and applying complicated / mathematical concepts), and if my potential employer does not see any worth in that then it might not be a good fit anyway.

And mentioning gmksplit probably doesn't hurt with the assessment for SE

[Vindicator]

And mentioning gmksplit probably doesn't hurt with the assessment for SE

Gmksplit and Faucnet have merit (for you) outside of just the code- they're a good indication of your understanding in various topics and design. Just out of curiosity, did you pursue graduate school? I think I remember you attending a German University a year or two back.

The funny thing about GG2 is that all of the interesting bits, like our networking engine, and (soon to be audio engine) are implemented in GML, while we use C++/C libraries for the more mundane stuff (initalizing contexts, and interfacing with sockets).

The implementation of GG2's networking engine in GML is probably no longer relevant in that case. Not to say that it's trivial, only that anyone else would shrug and say "Could you do it in Java/C++?" To which you'd say yes, and then they'd wonder why you didn't just lead with that in the first place.

[MedO]

Just out of curiosity, did you pursue graduate school? I think I remember you attending a German University a year or two back.

I think there is a little difference in the education systems here, because the question didn't make sense to me at first. University is the highest "school" in our system, and I graduated with a Diplom two years ago (which is roughly equivalent to a master's degree). The only higher academic degree which I could get is a Doktor (equiv. Ph.D.)

Not to say that it's trivial, only that anyone else would shrug and say "Could you do it in Java/C++?" To which you'd say yes, and then they'd wonder why you didn't just lead with that in the first place.

Well, there's still a difference between "I could do that" and "I did that"

[Port]

I still can't quite tell if GML is better or worse than TorqueScript.

[MrRatermat]

Here are the features of Game Maker:

  Costs a lot of money so you know its professional
  Its very slow, so you know its like a professional game
  The D3D looks like shit to give you that retro Virtual Boy experience!
  Mplay is outdated and only worked for windows 98, for that brilliant retro feel!
  GM:S is an exact copy of Game Maker 8.1, except updates were moved there instead. Forcing everyone to repurchase game maker! 
  And Game Maker will make sure your closed-source game has all its source code stored in memory, plain text!
  There are so many statements that do the same thing, the language looks like roadkill!
  Game Maker is an interpreter, and you know how fast that is!
  Call of Duty is written in Game Maker language
  Game maker is the fastest world-wide growing language, used by people who refuse to learn other languages everywhere!

Game Maker wins 6 infiltrators, 2 capture points, Curly, 5 intels, 3 dispensers and bankruptcy
 
 
 
 
 
 

[ajf]

Here are the features of Game Maker:

  Costs a lot of money so you know its professional

It's not *that* pricey.

Its very slow, so you know its like a professional game

It's not slow, it's just not fast enough for everyone's needs.

The D3D looks like shit to give you that retro Virtual Boy experience!

It doesn't "look like shit". You can make beautiful games with that. It's limited, sure, but nothing stops you making a good-looking game with it.

Mplay is outdated and only worked for windows 98, for that brilliant retro feel!

You sure about that?

GM:S is an exact copy of Game Maker 8.1, except updates were moved there instead. Forcing everyone to repurchase game maker! 

No. GM:S is a significant improvement, with better documentation, more platforms, and a proper compiler.

And Game Maker will make sure your closed-source game has all its source code stored in memory, plain text!

Not in GM:S.

There are so many statements that do the same thing, the language looks like roadkill!

What statements? I see no duplication. It's no ugly language, either; C is worse, and with a little discipline, your code can look quite nice.

Game Maker is an interpreter, and you know how fast that is!

Again, GM:S is not interpreted. And it's not slow, it's just not fast enough for some applications

Call of Duty is written in Game Maker language

Nope. Pretty sure it's C++.

Game maker is the fastest world-wide growing language, used by people who refuse to learn other languages everywhere!

Doubt it.

Game Maker wins 6 infiltrators, 2 capture points, Curly, 5 intels, 3 dispensers and bankruptcy
 
 
 
 
 
 

(I realise most of that was a joke, but I bash GML constantly, so standing up for it sometimes is good )

[MrRatermat]

(I realise most of that was a joke, but I bash GML constantly, so standing up for it sometimes is good )

You created this topic to make fun of the stupid stuff in GML.
Why are you defending it? Is it because my sarcasm went over your head?

And be honest with yourself. D3D actually does look like shit because its too slow to actually render many polygons.

[Orpheon]

Here are the features of Game Maker:

  Costs a lot of money so you know its professional

It's not *that* pricey.

For the public it would be geared to (newbie young programmers), it sort of is.

Its very slow, so you know its like a professional game

It's not slow, it's just not fast enough for everyone's needs.

If those needs include common needs in games (serious AI, ray-based lighting, 3d rendering), things are different.
Although I agree with you that Game Maker isn't meant to be used in games with serious performance hogs, so this is not really a problem.

The D3D looks like shit to give you that retro Virtual Boy experience!

It doesn't "look like shit". You can make beautiful games with that. It's limited, sure, but nothing stops you making a good-looking game with it.

You can make beautiful games by writing your own 3d renderer by hand. The ability to make something great with a tool doesn't necessarily mean the tool is great.
Although again, this is tied to the performance issue: Really good 3d graphics tend to be rather expensive in processing power, which is arguably an area Game Maker isn't geared towards (and definitely sucks).

Mplay is outdated and only worked for windows 98, for that brilliant retro feel!

You sure about that?

I can't comment on this, have no experience working with Mplay.

GM:S is an exact copy of Game Maker 8.1, except updates were moved there instead. Forcing everyone to repurchase game maker! 

No. GM:S is a significant improvement, with better documentation, more platforms, and a proper compiler.

Same as above.

And Game Maker will make sure your closed-source game has all its source code stored in memory, plain text!

Not in GM:S.

Good, that was an "improvement" that brought them up to par with the absolute baseline of other languages.

There are so many statements that do the same thing, the language looks like roadkill!

What statements? I see no duplication. It's no ugly language, either; C is worse, and with a little discipline, your code can look quite nice.

Uhh what? Ok, MrRatermat didn't formulate this properly, but game maker has a terrible amount of different structures for doing the same things (borrowed from different languages), or of completely useless statements ("then").
And "with a little discipline", anything can look nice. This goes for C as well (what most of GMLs syntax is based on), and the only reason why C can be (when masterfully used) uglier than GML is because GML doesn't have two features (macros and pointers). On the structures they both have, GML can be a lot more confusing.

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a = 0;
if a=0a=3&a&&a=1&a=2=4=6||1|15
show_message(a)This prints "1" btw, somewhat obvious when you think about it, but still. This is not an example of a language that encourages you to write beautifully.

Game Maker is an interpreter, and you know how fast that is!

Again, GM:S is not interpreted. And it's not slow, it's just not fast enough for some applications

This claim is just a rehash of above claims anyway, see answers there.

Call of Duty is written in Game Maker language

Nope. Pretty sure it's C++.

Yeah, CoD definitely isn't Game Maker. Too good graphics and effects.

Game maker is the fastest world-wide growing language, used by people who refuse to learn other languages everywhere!

Doubt it.

So do I. Game Maker doesn't even appear on the language charts right now.

[ajf]

(I realise most of that was a joke, but I bash GML constantly, so standing up for it sometimes is good )

You created this topic to make fun of the stupid stuff in GML.
Why are you defending it? Is it because my sarcasm went over your head?

Because, despite its (numerous) faults, GML still has a special place in my heart.

[\esc144aAroundTheWorld\esca]

C is the definition of beauty ~

[Vindicator]

Call of Duty is written in Game Maker language

Nope. Pretty sure it's C++.

Yeah, CoD definitely isn't Game Maker. Too good graphics and effects.

Game maker is the fastest world-wide growing language, used by people who refuse to learn other languages everywhere!

Doubt it.

So do I. Game Maker doesn't even appear on the language charts right now.

Woosh.

[Saniblues]

Game maker is the fastest world-wide growing language, used by people who refuse to learn other languages everywhere!

Doubt it.

So do I. Game Maker doesn't even appear on the language charts right now.

Gotta work on your pitching, ratman. You can't strike these dorks out if the balls keep flying over their heads.

[ajf]

Game Maker will botch the line endings when you import a group of scripts.

[Catman]

And that was probably only found out because the updater hasn't worked for me for the past year or so, and I finally decided to actually report it

[ajf]

The updater being broken is mostly my fault, though