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Gang Garrison Discussion => Announcements => Topic started by: MedO on September 14, 2013, 03:46:20 pm

Title: Website and forum rework
Post by: MedO on September 14, 2013, 03:46:20 pm
Hi everyone.

It looks like the time has finally come for some fresh color around this place. We have been using the same old website and the same forum software for a long time now, and we now have everything in place so that we can update both!

Wareya has been working on a new website design for a while now, which you can find here (http://www.ganggarrison.com/forums/index.php?topic=33751.msg1184865#msg1184865). We are still working out some creases, so please take a look and suggest improvements!

He also made a GG2 theme for Simple Machines Forum 2, which means we can now upgrade our forum software to the current version without losing our style (but adding some nice touches!). The upgrade will be performed soon, but to do it we need to take the forums offline for ca. an hour so that nobody can post anything while we copy and convert the database and update the software.

We are not quite sure yet when this will happen - but if everything works smoothly and you give us a positive response, it might be as soon as tomorrow. So stay tuned!
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: iLegend on September 14, 2013, 05:49:53 pm
here's (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1811521/ggweb/index.html) the direct link

font's a bit off.. something pixelated would fit the logo a bit more, like the original site.

also I'd prefer a little more space between the GG2 text in the image and the tabbed menu.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: bullets (obviously) on September 14, 2013, 06:40:21 pm
See http://www.ganggarrison.com/forums/index.php?topic=33751.150 (http://www.ganggarrison.com/forums/index.php?topic=33751.150) for the discussion thread, since its kinda buried in Medo's post.

Agree with ilegend and also posted my comments in the other thread
*raises hand*
- Agree with ilegend, please use pixelated font from old homepage on titles. Body text is nice as is.
- Light grey boxes look weird as killercrusher said, something like this would be less distracting http://i.imgur.com/pF1QYh7.png (http://i.imgur.com/pF1QYh7.png)
- The double navigation bars are really weird, especially since you can only access the bottom bar from Home. It would be nice to consolidate them into one bar.
- Banner should be clickable and lead to Home>>Main. Also why does the lowercase "g" in Gang on the banner hang over the navbar?
- The News page could probably be incorporated under the Downloads page since its mostly update links. Unless we want to announce clan wars/pugs and stuff there.
- Putting a screenshot or other graphic on the main page would make it look less plain.
- The About page would probably look less wall-of-text-ish if we alternated paragraph-left/image-right and image-left/paragraph-right. I like the screenshots though.
- Don't really want to discuss the readme since its kinda long, but graphics would be nice.
- A Screenshots page, separate or just underneath the About stuff, maybe with gifs, would be nice especially for people actually browsing the site for more info.

- Can we agree on an inclusive "decent map list" and put it on Downloads? Visitors are likely to go to the site rather than forums looking for custom maps and all they'll find is the classic map pack.
- Is it possible to have the pages do that smooth transition you currently get with the arrows rather than reloading everything for each page?
- Can we clean up the oldversions (http://ganggarrison.com/oldversions) and lobbystatus (http://ganggarrison.com/lobby/status) pages and link them somewhere? They're useful and hard to find.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Phantom Brave on September 14, 2013, 06:47:55 pm
Keep the discussion away from this topic. Thank you.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: ajf on September 15, 2013, 02:28:51 pm
OK, wareya's new site is online.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: iLegend on September 15, 2013, 04:00:42 pm
what happened to the extended header (at the sides)
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Phantom Brave on September 15, 2013, 04:31:30 pm
ajf broke it when moving the site
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: ajf on September 15, 2013, 06:07:24 pm
Welcome to SMF 2!
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: iLegend on September 15, 2013, 06:09:22 pm
:c1:
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Intel Guard on September 15, 2013, 06:13:42 pm
http://snag.gy/RjVGr.jpg (http://snag.gy/RjVGr.jpg)

what the fuck is this.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Phantom Brave on September 15, 2013, 06:16:20 pm
Just refresh if you have any missing/wrong image problems.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Dusty on September 15, 2013, 06:17:43 pm
Wait, Karma's back?
Was that an accident thing or on purpose?
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: notarctic on September 15, 2013, 06:18:23 pm
nope
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Oktoberfest! on September 15, 2013, 06:18:36 pm
What's karma?
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: MedO on September 15, 2013, 06:20:41 pm
We added karma again on a whim. It's an official SMF feature now. Funny enough, they use the same database column for it as the old Mod, so the old Karma values now show up again :P

If you complain loudly enough we'll remove it again.

In other news, if you find anything doesn't work now, please report it so that we can fix.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: notarctic on September 15, 2013, 06:21:12 pm
see the applaud/ smite button next to someone? its like an upvote or downvote
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Dusty on September 15, 2013, 06:21:25 pm
What's karma?
It's a duo of numbers under everyone's username. You can either applaud (+1) or smite (-1) people.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Oktoberfest! on September 15, 2013, 06:22:10 pm
Didn't see it immediately, thanks.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Intel Guard on September 15, 2013, 06:24:34 pm
What is the justification for the reintroduction of karma other than the fact AJF finds it fun to fuck around with?
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: notarctic on September 15, 2013, 06:26:20 pm
What is the justification for the reintroduction of karma other than the fact AJF finds it fun to fuck around with?
heres your justification
Quote
It's an official SMF feature now.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: MedO on September 15, 2013, 06:27:06 pm
No, there was no real justification. You complained well enough, Karma is gone again.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Dusty on September 15, 2013, 06:30:59 pm
Well that didn't take much.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Brooklyn on September 15, 2013, 06:40:27 pm
fuck you intel you're so gay
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: trog on September 15, 2013, 07:55:55 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/5CgyAsR.png)

Also the new header image is ugly.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Teekytots [PC][OG] on September 15, 2013, 07:56:28 pm
Keep karma
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Intel Guard on September 15, 2013, 07:57:13 pm
no thank you
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: notarctic on September 15, 2013, 07:58:02 pm
Keep karma
I'm really curious to see it. also woah teeky where'd you come from?
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Teekytots [PC][OG] on September 15, 2013, 07:59:20 pm
procrastinatuion from homework

and karma if it's not abused or messed with
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Intel Guard on September 15, 2013, 08:00:14 pm
procrastinatuion from homework

and karma if it's not abused or messed with
i'll keep it short and sweet, ajf brought it back so he could negative karma whore

he literally baited for it in irc

if its brought back solely to abuse, everyone else is gonna follow suit.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: iLegend on September 15, 2013, 08:00:28 pm
No karma. Why do you insist on having 2 numbers that really add nothing to your profile.

It'll almost definitely be messed with. Shitsmiting.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: notarctic on September 15, 2013, 08:08:34 pm
No karma. Why do you insist on having 2 numbers that really add nothing to your profile.

It'll almost definitely be messed with. Shitsmiting.
well why not? it seems somewhat fun
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Intel Guard on September 15, 2013, 08:09:21 pm
Yeah, if you think such blatant circlejerking over e-reputation is "fun"
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: notarctic on September 15, 2013, 08:19:11 pm
Yeah, if you think such blatant circlejerking over e-reputation is "fun"
I have no idea what circlejerking means. Please tell me because the only thing that comes to mind is a circle of men masturbating and I'm pretty sure that's not what you are referring to.

but as for the erep, sure why not? ajf and i already gave you 2 smites  :hehe:
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Intel Guard on September 15, 2013, 08:26:21 pm
but as for the erep, sure why not? ajf and i already gave you 2 smites  :hehe:

thank you for proving my point
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: notarctic on September 15, 2013, 08:27:37 pm
but as for the erep, sure why not? ajf and i already gave you 2 smites  :hehe:

thank you for proving my point
well think of it like youtube likes and dislikes. also yea thanks for the circlejerk definition.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Intel Guard on September 15, 2013, 08:28:59 pm
you just defined it for yourself unwittingly.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: notarctic on September 15, 2013, 08:32:59 pm
you just defined it for yourself unwittingly.
well i like the like/dislike system tho =/
still waiting on that circlejerk definition
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: iLegend on September 15, 2013, 08:36:32 pm
but as for the erep, sure why not? ajf and i already gave you 2 smites  :hehe:

thank you for proving my point
exactly


and 5th definition (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=circlejerk)
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Starky on September 15, 2013, 08:54:22 pm
The problem with karma is that it doesn't really reward better behavior.

It's just a popularity gauge/ troll scoreboard.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: notarctic on September 15, 2013, 08:57:38 pm
but as for the erep, sure why not? ajf and i already gave you 2 smites  :hehe:

thank you for proving my point
exactly


and 5th definition (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=circlejerk)
hey my definiition was actually a definition
   
Quote
A masturbation party; can be with guys or girls. Everyone usually sits in a circle and jacks off in the company of other people.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Trueblade on September 15, 2013, 11:08:00 pm
The problem with karma is that it doesn't really reward better behavior.

It's just a popularity gauge/ troll scoreboard.
starky actually knows what's up

A man's worth is shown through his actions, not some popularity meter.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Speed of Dark on September 15, 2013, 11:55:37 pm
The 'report to moderator/logged' thing in the lower right of posts now attaches itself to the last line of text instead of the bottom of the post box, so on shorter posts it's just sort of floating in the middle of the post.

Gross.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Nova on September 16, 2013, 01:10:42 am
The gg2-icon in the upper right corner is a little too big for the beam. i don't know why this pissis me off but it does.  :z4:
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: ajf on September 16, 2013, 01:11:57 am
i'll keep it short and sweet, ajf brought it back so he could negative karma whore

he literally baited for it in irc

if its brought back solely to abuse, everyone else is gonna follow suit.
nigga I don't know what planet you're on but I don't have admin powers

it was medo who enabled it
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Phantom Brave on September 16, 2013, 01:12:52 am
The gg2-icon in the upper right corner is a little too big for the beam. i don't know why this pissis me off but it does.  :z4:
If it's *Actually* too big, refresh until it fixes itself.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Nova on September 16, 2013, 01:16:34 am
It is not THAt too big, just moving it up 1-pixel (1 pixel being the size of 1 pixel in the icon) it would be fine.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: notarctic on September 16, 2013, 01:20:50 am
ctrl + f5 (i just learned what this does actually)
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Nova on September 16, 2013, 01:25:19 am
Doesn't fix it either. Either it is 1 pixel too low or m res is awkward.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: notarctic on September 16, 2013, 01:33:16 am
Doesn't fix it either. Either it is 1 pixel too low or m res is awkward.
well at one point the icon was huge so i thought that was what you were referring to
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: 21Dan on September 16, 2013, 03:34:26 am
(http://imgur.com/iaMnfFC.gif)
What?!
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Catman on September 16, 2013, 03:47:46 am
I don't like it
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Phantom Brave on September 16, 2013, 04:24:52 am
(http://imgur.com/iaMnfFC.gif)
What?!
Refresh the page until it fixes itself. Caching error.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Lord SecretMan on September 16, 2013, 06:53:35 am
Nobody does understand
How I liked the old forums
But now I can't because
They nerfed the forums

Now that I have to scroll
This place has lost it's soul
And it's all because
They nerfed the forums

Cry into my keyboard
My dick is really sore
I just can't believe
That they nerfed the forums

This update's really bad
That header makes me sad
I can't make big bubbles anymore because
They nerfed the forums

They nerfed the forums
They nerfed the forums
I can't make big bubbles just
Because they nerfed the forums

They nerfed the forums
They nerfed the forums
I can't make big bubbles just
Because they nerfed the forums

I just can't learn to deal
I'll boycott to appeal
I'm so butthurt since
They nerfed the forums

This update makes me cry
I think I want to die
And it's all because
They nerfed the forums

They nerfed the forums
They nerfed the forums
Now they can ignore me and just
Because they nerfed the forums

Forums
They nerfed the forums
The forums
They nerfed the forums

They nerfed the forums
The forums
They nerfed the forums
They nerfed the forums
They nerfed the forums
The forums
They nerfed the forums
They nerfed the forums
They nerfed the forums
They nerfed the forums
Now I can't be happy because
They nerfed the forums

ULTIMATE SHRED SOLO

They nerfed the forums
They nerfed the forums
Now there are spambots
Because they nerfed the forums

They nerfed the forums
The forums
They nerfed the forums
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Intel Guard on September 16, 2013, 07:08:42 am
Did you guys anticipate the fact that thee old bot measures wouldn't port over?

This was a huge oversight and probably the best way for us to scare away everyone.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Catman on September 16, 2013, 07:34:53 am
Why is my perfectly perfect sig, now imperfect?
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Nova on September 16, 2013, 07:55:47 am
Why is my perfectly perfect sig, now imperfect?

It looks like your old one for me.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Catman on September 16, 2013, 07:56:57 am
Why is my perfectly perfect sig, now imperfect?

It looks like your old one for me.
Must be this college monitor
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: ajf on September 16, 2013, 08:24:40 am
Did you guys anticipate the fact that thee old bot measures wouldn't port over?

This was a huge oversight and probably the best way for us to scare away everyone.
You mean the "what is this website called and what is heavy's gun called" thing?

Did it break? If so that's weird, I thought it was built-in to SMF, and if not that the mod we used had been added to SMF2.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Intel Guard on September 16, 2013, 08:27:18 am
idk what the fuck you had before, but it's obviously not around now. you should probably check for these conflicts.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Nova on September 16, 2013, 08:29:25 am
Did you guys anticipate the fact that thee old bot measures wouldn't port over?

This was a huge oversight and probably the best way for us to scare away everyone.
You mean the "what is this website called and what is heavy's gun called" thing?

Did it break? If so that's weird, I thought it was built-in to SMF, and if not that the mod we used had been added to SMF2.

Look at the General GG discussion. LOOK AT IT.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: ajf on September 16, 2013, 08:41:31 am
Did you guys anticipate the fact that thee old bot measures wouldn't port over?

This was a huge oversight and probably the best way for us to scare away everyone.
You mean the "what is this website called and what is heavy's gun called" thing?

Did it break? If so that's weird, I thought it was built-in to SMF, and if not that the mod we used had been added to SMF2.

Look at the General GG discussion. LOOK AT IT.
Holy mother of Satan's shite.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Intel Guard on September 16, 2013, 08:49:25 am
A+ forum technician work
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Trueblade on September 16, 2013, 08:52:55 am
Yeah uh, yeah.

I probably should have sent a PM to you about it on top of the two I sent to MedO. I noticed two bot topics late last night and knew something was amiss. Now it's obvious something is either incompatible or was forgotten in the transition to 2.0 if this many are even able to register.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: [Royal Gay Penguin Nachos Ibarra Gordita Agave] LC on September 16, 2013, 08:54:59 am
Someone send the abs signal for teeky to unretire for 10 minutes
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Trueblade on September 16, 2013, 09:13:00 am
I just checked the registration form and yeah, the only thing we have right now in the way of bot regostration is a Captcha. The GG2 related registration question is gone.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: ajf on September 16, 2013, 09:34:45 am
A+ forum technician work
I'm not forum tech atm :U

I mean I have ggeditor so I have admin power in theory but I haven't used it to give myself actual admin power.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Intel Guard on September 16, 2013, 09:36:14 am
okay then A+ work to everyone else
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Oktoberfest! on September 16, 2013, 09:59:14 am
Oh god, all these spam bots.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: GG2RBY on September 16, 2013, 10:02:59 am
A+ forum technician work
I'm not forum tech atm :U

I mean I have ggeditor so I have admin power in theory but I haven't used it to give myself actual admin power.
ajf
administrator

it begins

Oh god, all these spam bots.
this
did we break something again
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: 21Dan on September 16, 2013, 10:04:12 am
Oh man, not posting bots, not now.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: ajf on September 16, 2013, 10:04:35 am
Someone cleared it up, I dunno who.

I've just gone into the DB and made myself admin so that I could add a verification question. Someone else had already added one, but there are now two. I've de-admined myself now.

(inb4 "admin abuse" although this is definitely within my remit, actually)
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: [Royal Gay Penguin Nachos Ibarra Gordita Agave] LC on September 16, 2013, 10:21:20 am
You guys can't track who makes changes to stuff like that?
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: ajf on September 16, 2013, 10:42:26 am
You guys can't track who makes changes to stuff like that?
Verification questions? No. Only some things are logged in the mod log, and I don't believe that's one of them.

If you mean admining myself, well, direct DB editing also wouldn't be logged :P
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Intel Guard on September 16, 2013, 10:46:53 am
Im pretty sure adding a mod through the package manager would be logged somewhere
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: ajf on September 16, 2013, 10:53:02 am
Im pretty sure adding a mod through the package manager would be logged somewhere
Oh, that.

SMF's mod list likes spontaneously evaporating.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Trueblade on September 16, 2013, 11:02:10 am
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/95874709/SC20130916-115235.png)

Uhh...
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: ajf on September 16, 2013, 11:03:37 am
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/95874709/SC20130916-115235.png)

Uhh...
Oh fuck.

*admins self again*

Oh, number of verification questions to answer was set to 0. Set it to 2.

*unadmins*
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Trueblade on September 16, 2013, 11:15:34 am
That did it. Verification is working as it should now. :c1:
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: [Royal Gay Penguin Nachos Ibarra Gordita Agave] LC on September 16, 2013, 01:48:04 pm
So there's no db auditing at all?  :drool:
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: MedO on September 16, 2013, 01:51:29 pm
So there's no db auditing at all?  :drool:
I'm not sure you are aware of this, but this is still a small forum community run by a bunch of volunteers in their spare time. What kind of auditing do you expect us to have in place here to protect us from *inside jobs*? Even the NSA apparently have no audit info on what Snowden took from their systems...
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: ajf on September 16, 2013, 02:05:22 pm
So there's no db auditing at all?  :drool:
I'm not sure you are aware of this, but this is still a small forum community run by a bunch of volunteers in their spare time. What kind of auditing do you expect us to have in place here to protect us from *inside jobs*? Even the NSA apparently have no audit info on what Snowden took from their systems...
9/11 was an inside job!
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: [Royal Gay Penguin Nachos Ibarra Gordita Agave] LC on September 16, 2013, 02:06:30 pm
I was just confused that whatever setup we use doesn't have that on by default to be able to tell who did what, not that you guys fucked up setting something up, no need to be defensive

By auditing I just meant the history of db changes, not a full blown audit lol
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: iLegend on September 16, 2013, 04:10:04 pm
hitting that cache error where the last button image disappears way too often. Is this something up with the site or my cache, and will it ever go away?

and ugh fuck the extra 4 pages I haven't read. I have no complaints about the site
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Intel Guard on September 17, 2013, 05:55:32 am
Your verification method really isn't working, there are still bots sneaking in. It looks largely unprofessional lol.

You need to go to the SMF mod site and download a shitton of anti-bot measures, cause we weren't having this problem before due to precisely this method
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Trueblade on September 17, 2013, 07:19:44 am
Your verification method really isn't working, there are still bots sneaking in.
but there aren't??? At least not in terms of registration. I've been keeping a close eye on the member list and I haven't seen any since the two questions were added properly. Whatever bots we have to deal with now have likely already registered.
Title: Re: Website and forum rework
Post by: Intel Guard on September 17, 2013, 07:56:11 am
My bad