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Title: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: ajf on October 05, 2013, 06:06:31 am
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2.7.9 (http://www.ganggarrison.com/forums/index.php?topic=35098.0)

v2.6.8: The hackfix9/2 update
- Reduce collisions CPU usage
- Fix all known collision bugs
- Added debugging map (gg_debug) for testing collision bugs

Download here (http://www.ganggarrison.com/download.php?file=1)
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Sparky on October 05, 2013, 08:20:59 am
Hope all bugs are fixed  :panic:

Edit: Playerfloors :(
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: 21Dan on October 05, 2013, 08:22:14 am
Good job guys.
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Friendly Holocaust on October 05, 2013, 09:44:54 am
It's still laggy with a large amount of players.
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Derpduck on October 05, 2013, 10:51:13 am
I don't have my haxxy reward from this year.

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Both Garrison Builder Re-Make by Derpduck [LORD] (http://www.ganggarrison.com/forums/index.php?topic=34353.0) and The Prop Archive by Machidro (http://www.ganggarrison.com/forums/index.php?topic=34291.0) receive the first prize.
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: the useless soldier on October 05, 2013, 07:15:13 pm
It's still laggy with a large amount of players.
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: 2D on October 05, 2013, 08:38:33 pm
I don't have my haxxy reward from this year.

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Both Garrison Builder Re-Make by Derpduck [LORD] (http://www.ganggarrison.com/forums/index.php?topic=34353.0) and The Prop Archive by Machidro (http://www.ganggarrison.com/forums/index.php?topic=34291.0) receive the first prize.

This: http://www.ganggarrison.com/forums/index.php?topic=34680.0 (http://www.ganggarrison.com/forums/index.php?topic=34680.0)

Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Techno Viking on October 06, 2013, 01:20:50 am
what the fuck is the point of all these updates?
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: ajf on October 06, 2013, 05:22:43 am
what the fuck is the point of all these updates?
Fixing serious bugs?
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: trog on October 06, 2013, 11:07:07 am
where is medo
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Intel Guard on October 06, 2013, 11:39:32 am
what the fuck is the point of all these updates?
lack of betatesting = fixing bugs as everyone else finds them in official updates = tons of updates with one bug fixed at a time
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: ajf on October 06, 2013, 12:11:35 pm
what the fuck is the point of all these updates?
lack of betatesting = fixing bugs as everyone else finds them in official updates = tons of updates with one bug fixed at a time
Pretty much. 2.6.4, 2.6.5 and 2.6.6 all had bugs which would easily have been caught with even brief testing. Although 2.6.6 less so as it only happened when using a haxxy reward. But that bug was caused by me not being diligent when changing the format of a variable (I should have done a search for other references to it and corrected them). Obviously, the next release will be beta tested.
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Techno Viking on October 06, 2013, 01:44:39 pm
what the fuck is the point of all these updates?
lack of betatesting = fixing bugs as everyone else finds them in official updates = tons of updates with one bug fixed at a time
Pretty much. 2.6.4, 2.6.5 and 2.6.6 all had bugs which would easily have been caught with even brief testing. Although 2.6.6 less so as it only happened when using a haxxy reward. But that bug was caused by me not being diligent when changing the format of a variable (I should have done a search for other references to it and corrected them). Obviously, the next release will be beta tested.

> easily have been caught with even brief testing
> caused by me not being diligent

you have to be kidding me. did you guys actually repeat not testing the next version and not being diligent for what i can see is 2.6.5 and .6 and .7 and .8?

i guess 2.6.4 as well? I feel really bad for anyone who's been playing gg2 still in 2012 and 2013  if this is the kind of direction the game has taken.
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Intel Guard on October 06, 2013, 01:55:21 pm
yeah that's pretty much what's been going on lol

not to say gg2 still isn't worth playing. we just have bad development practices imo
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: ajf on October 06, 2013, 01:56:19 pm
I think I got too used to the notion of beta tests are useless that I skipped them altogether. Plus I wanted to push out 2.6.4 quickly to get it over with and that cost me dearly.
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Techno Viking on October 06, 2013, 02:10:41 pm
I think I got too used to the notion of beta tests are useless that I skipped them altogether. Plus I wanted to push out 2.6.4 quickly to get it over with and that cost me dearly.

> beta tests are useless
> get it over with

do you actually care about this game?

a developer who has no interest in the users who play the game itself has zero business being a developer.

you cannot release a game for your own satisfaction ajf. you're releasing a game for the satisfaction of the players who play the game. move forward from these ridiculous mistakes and make sure the release isn't laden with critical errors and a sordid lack of attention to detail.

this isn't a group project in school where you're the only one doing work to get a barely passing grade for a credit. you're making light of the effort, donations, development, interest, skill, time, and the motivation of every single person who has EVER made a contribution to the game. there's a lot of power in your hands right now. don't fuck it up and destroy this game.
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Danikah on October 06, 2013, 02:22:13 pm
a developer who has no interest in the users who play the game itself has zero business being a developer.
inb4EAismentioned
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: ajf on October 06, 2013, 02:47:26 pm
I think I got too used to the notion of beta tests are useless that I skipped them altogether. Plus I wanted to push out 2.6.4 quickly to get it over with and that cost me dearly.

> beta tests are useless
> get it over with

do you actually care about this game?
An awful lot, yes. Despite what people think, I do actually play the game.

a developer who has no interest in the users who play the game itself has zero business being a developer.
I do have an interest in the users. The reason I rushed it out was partly motivated by two particular things people were waiting for:
1) The HTTP overhaul, which fixed some horrible issues myself and others had
2) Haxxy rewards, which winners were obviously waiting for

In hindsight I should have been more careful as this caused more problems than it solved.

you cannot release a game for your own satisfaction ajf.
I don't. Releasing isn't particularly fun.

you're releasing a game for the satisfaction of the players who play the game.
That doesn't actually contradict your previous sentence since I play the game.

move forward from these ridiculous mistakes and make sure the release isn't laden with critical errors and a sordid lack of attention to detail.
I've said I would.

this isn't a group project in school where you're the only one doing work to get a barely passing grade for a credit. you're making light of the effort, donations, development, interest, skill, time, and the motivation of every single person who has EVER made a contribution to the game. there's a lot of power in your hands right now. don't fuck it up and destroy this game.
I'm not making light of anyone's efforts nor my mistakes. I screwed up, okay? Don't rub it in, I'm well aware, and future releases will be done more carefully.
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: notarctic on October 06, 2013, 03:33:42 pm
lets wake up nagn to get back into development so we dont keep having burstfire updates
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Saniblues on October 06, 2013, 06:05:05 pm
I think I got too used to the notion of beta tests are useless that I skipped them altogether. Plus I wanted to push out 2.6.4 quickly to get it over with and that cost me dearly.
Just make a thread on 4chan and put up a server. Ask some people to test for you. How do you think Psycho got all his testing done?
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Intel Guard on October 06, 2013, 06:50:03 pm
I think I got too used to the notion of beta tests are useless that I skipped them altogether. Plus I wanted to push out 2.6.4 quickly to get it over with and that cost me dearly.
Just make a thread on 4chan and put up a server. Ask some people to test for you. How do you think Psycho got all his testing done?
pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffftt lol

we don't need them to betatest
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Saniblues on October 06, 2013, 06:53:40 pm
I think I got too used to the notion of beta tests are useless that I skipped them altogether. Plus I wanted to push out 2.6.4 quickly to get it over with and that cost me dearly.
Just make a thread on 4chan and put up a server. Ask some people to test for you. How do you think Psycho got all his testing done?
pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffftt lol

we don't need them to betatest
http://www.ganggarrison.com/forums/index.php?topic=34671.0 (http://www.ganggarrison.com/forums/index.php?topic=34671.0)
http://www.ganggarrison.com/forums/index.php?topic=34672.0 (http://www.ganggarrison.com/forums/index.php?topic=34672.0)
http://www.ganggarrison.com/forums/index.php?topic=34677.0 (http://www.ganggarrison.com/forums/index.php?topic=34677.0)
http://www.ganggarrison.com/forums/index.php?topic=34679.0 (http://www.ganggarrison.com/forums/index.php?topic=34679.0)
http://www.ganggarrison.com/forums/index.php?topic=34688.0 (http://www.ganggarrison.com/forums/index.php?topic=34688.0)

Better to have someone than nobody

Better to have the numbers of the people in the AGDG thread on /vg/ for stuff like this as well since the biggest problem I've seen with the collision system is how it functions with large numbers of people as opposed to a few players
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Intel Guard on October 06, 2013, 07:04:37 pm
Before we ship it out to a bunch of randoms, I'd much prefer we did it with people who know the game well aka us. Except we weren't even asked to, which is the main problem
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: cabalier on October 06, 2013, 07:05:52 pm
4chan.org slash vg

puttin the beta in betatest
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Saniblues on October 06, 2013, 07:06:40 pm
Before we ship it out to a bunch of randoms, I'd much prefer we did it with people who know the game well aka us. Except we weren't even asked to, which is the main problem
I heard that argument over steam.

You don't need people that know the game when all you're doing is overhauling the collision system.
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: cabalier on October 06, 2013, 07:08:26 pm
good edit
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Phantom Brave on October 06, 2013, 07:34:44 pm
a lot of people in agdg know me so it's not like it's alien if another gg2 dev goes there and asks for help. try it out some time
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Intel Guard on October 06, 2013, 07:48:51 pm
Except we weren't even asked to, which is the main problem
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: notarctic on October 06, 2013, 10:09:43 pm
before we complain that no attempt was made to test anything, i would like to point out that this thread has been around for a while now
http://www.ganggarrison.com/forums/index.php?topic=34195.0 (http://www.ganggarrison.com/forums/index.php?topic=34195.0)
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Intel Guard on October 06, 2013, 10:12:25 pm
before we complain that no attempt was made to test anything, i would like to point out that this thread has been around for a while now
http://www.ganggarrison.com/forums/index.php?topic=34195.0 (http://www.ganggarrison.com/forums/index.php?topic=34195.0)
That was in July, in an old thread that pretty much everyone forgot; including you, I'm sure

Your point?

These threads are from this month.
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Phantom Brave on October 06, 2013, 10:14:33 pm
point being my changes were given out for testing and ajf's weren't

wareya confirmed for best developer
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Intel Guard on October 06, 2013, 10:19:32 pm
Damn, I gotta give you credit that was a great way to deflect blame ahahaha
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: RebelINS on October 06, 2013, 10:28:17 pm
More like reflect blame at this point
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: notarctic on October 06, 2013, 10:31:46 pm
before we complain that no attempt was made to test anything, i would like to point out that this thread has been around for a while now
http://www.ganggarrison.com/forums/index.php?topic=34195.0 (http://www.ganggarrison.com/forums/index.php?topic=34195.0)
That was in July, in an old thread that pretty much everyone forgot; including you, I'm sure

Your point?

These threads are from this month.
point is, it was there and hosts were free to test it. plus the gap between that time and the update was plenty of time for bugs to be reported and fixed. yet i haven't seen anyone but myself even attempt to test it.
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Phantom Brave on October 06, 2013, 10:33:45 pm
heenok did too and got some of the nasties for me
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: notarctic on October 06, 2013, 10:34:54 pm
heenok did too and got some of the nasties for me
o yea, forgot about him
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Saniblues on October 06, 2013, 11:14:32 pm
So he never asked. Live and learn. Can we move on to something else now?

4Chan is good for testing. We have a team of ready and willing testers here, but they have innumerable idiots that are very ready and very willing to break the game, which is the primary job of a tester- try to break the game.
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Phantom Brave on October 08, 2013, 11:56:56 pm
Okay guys lets relax a little and take it easy
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Trueblade on October 09, 2013, 12:02:07 am
Post a public beta in announcements next time or something, that's all I'm asking.
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Orpheon on October 09, 2013, 07:12:45 am
Post a public beta in announcements next time or something, that's all I'm asking.
That would be the point of Dev Discussion.
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Trueblade on October 09, 2013, 10:21:16 am
Post a public beta in announcements next time or something, that's all I'm asking.
That would be the point of Dev Discussion.
No-one's gonna see it there. You'll get more people testing if you put it in Announcements.
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: notarctic on October 09, 2013, 05:20:30 pm
maybe you people should pay more attention to the dev discussion thread. cool stuff comes out of there every once and a while
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Derpduck on October 10, 2013, 12:14:52 pm
Most of that stuff is only cool to the developers/coders though which is why most people ignore it.
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Danikah on October 10, 2013, 01:26:21 pm
Most of that stuff is only cool to the developers/coders though which is why most people ignore it.
Pretty much.
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: notarctic on October 10, 2013, 09:27:29 pm
thats their problem i guess
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Intel Guard on October 10, 2013, 09:43:58 pm
Yeah it is the developers/coders' problem isnt it
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Trueblade on October 10, 2013, 10:24:24 pm
thats their problem i guess
Not really, man. You need to bring more attention to something like a physics overhaul than that. Post an announcement for it and have a Dev Discussion thread for reporting bugs, or even just a more active thread in Dev Discussion with a better title like we've got now. At least then people are more likely to see it on the latest posts for that subforum and go "shit let's be santa."

I'm not sure why this is still going anyways. The issue was made clear already and I'm seeing an effort being made to rectify it.
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: notarctic on October 10, 2013, 10:36:31 pm
Yeah it is the developers/coders' problem isnt it
yea dude, its the developers problem for posting a thread where its SUPPOSED to go and its also their fault no one checks there. lets go with that
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: Saniblues on October 11, 2013, 04:24:55 pm
Both of you please shut the fuck up and take it out of this thread
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: ikewitherspoon on November 25, 2013, 06:08:13 pm
I have an Announcements to make find a server called CRACK'S modded server on gg2 1.6.8 now
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: trog on November 27, 2013, 09:59:20 pm
ty
Title: Re: Gang Garrison 2.6.8
Post by: hello on November 28, 2013, 02:16:09 pm
 :drool: