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Gang Garrison Discussion => Announcements => Topic started by: MedO on January 15, 2012, 06:59:22 am
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Hi again. I hope many of you are aware that two laws are currently being discussed in the USA that could have very negative consequences for communities like this one. I'm talking about the SOPA and PROTECT IP issue of course. If you don't know about the problem yet, you can get informed by e.g. watching TotalBiscuit's video on the issue:
WTF is SOPA ? aka The American Government trying to ruin the internet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhwuXNv8fJM#)
In three days, many companies and communities who oppose these laws and feel they might not be able to continue functioning if they pass will take down their services for the day to raise awareness of the problem.
I support this idea, but I'm not sure taking down ganggarrison.com would achieve anything except annoying you guys. Alternatively, we could put up one of these fancy "Stop censorship" banners up on our site (as promoted on http://americancensorship.org/ (http://americancensorship.org/)).
What is your take on this?
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You should also bring out a small update with the title screen of gg2 having a banner and link to the site.
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:z4:
I hope this doesnt get passed
Also if we take down (lock) the website would the irc still be up?
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Locking the whole forums for a day sounds fine with me.
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Locking the whole forums for a day sounds fine with me.
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Nooo, bad enought that minecraft will go down, what am I supposed to do on the 18th?
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Celebrate my birthday :>
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A banner would probably suffice, I think.
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It's incredibly stupid for a website whose userbase unanimously opposes SOPA already to do this
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SOAP IS TRYING TO RUIN THE INTERNET???
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Locking the whole forums for a day sounds fine with me.
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You should try to get the server host to shut down instead. And you should also add a list of popular servers that people can connect to via ip.
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It's incredibly stupid for a website whose userbase unanimously opposes SOPA already to do this
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yeah I don't really think that this will raise any more awareness, as most of our american users have already seen Mag's topics about these bills
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We should put a banner on the main site to raise awareness to people not on the forums.
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Use a banner.
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You should try to get the server host to shut down instead. And you should also add a list of popular servers that people can connect to via ip.
That sounds like a really smart thing for them to do if they never want to have any customers ever again.
Edit: We have a banner on the main page since an hour or so.
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You should probably pretty it up a little bit.
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You should probably pretty it up a little bit.
I think part of the idea is it being the way it is
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When I saw the banner on the front page I thought it was a porn ad.
I believe that most of the forumgoers already know about the issue, but I'm fine with the idea of the forums being down for a day.
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You could also bring out a small update with the title screen of gg2 having a banner and link to the site.
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i personally don't have a problem with the site being down a day, but from a business standpoint i wouldn't do it. (unless it saves you oodles of cash)
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Also the sopa vote has been delayed, so I guess if you want to do a black out you'd have to change the date
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Make a GG2 update where the game stays black for a period of time, with white text emerging:
"Don't like censorship? Help us stop SOPA!"
Like, replace the faucet animation with it for few days.-.
Sounds good too, keeping the message on the main menu would be nice too.
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Make a GG2 update where the game stays black for a period of time, with white text emerging:
"Don't like censorship? Help us stop SOPA!"
Like, replace the faucet animation with it for few days.-.
Sounds good too, keeping the message on the main menu would be nice too.
We arleary have at main page(Not on forums)
If we add "Don't like censorship? Help us stop SOPA!" to replace FAUcET animation would be enough,they are putting english wikipedia down just to protest agains't it and some other law too.
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oh mang even wikipeded is joining in
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/English_Wikipedia_anti-SOPA_blackout (http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/English_Wikipedia_anti-SOPA_blackout)
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you should create a giant map that's anti sopa.
or you can just do the banner
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oh mang even wikipeded is joining in
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/English_Wikipedia_anti-SOPA_blackout (http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/English_Wikipedia_anti-SOPA_blackout)
Said that on the post exactly above you.
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When's the lock gonna happen, medo-boy?
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Not. The banner is good enough imo, and I didn't have time to set up anything more elaborate like a GG2 update.
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Forum regulars are supposed to see this thread instead.
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You could like black out the player sprites for gg2 and add a banner on the main menu, take them out after the vote
Simple update
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I told him that already sani
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its too late anyways; this thread should already show everyone that something's happening at least
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Thing is, some people never check this page.
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Theres also a page about this on General Chatter
Expect its a guy called ghost ranting on SOPA,but people discussing SOPA on there too anyway.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w6GtwOvnWM
Saw this on piratebay's homepage.
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Have Bluexephos made a video or somthing that explains this? TotalBiscut did right?
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I don't get it. Why does it matter, its only on January 18 which will end pretty soon. 1 day of no internet is not so bad.
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http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/obama-stops-controversial-sopa-internet-piracy-bill/ (http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/obama-stops-controversial-sopa-internet-piracy-bill/)
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http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/obama-stops-controversial-sopa-internet-piracy-bill/ (http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/obama-stops-controversial-sopa-internet-piracy-bill/)
Is it me or does he have that look of an old person who just used a computer for the first time?
Also http://www.deadline.com/2012/01/exclusive-hollywood-moguls-stopping-obama-donations-because-of-administrations-piracy-stand/ (http://www.deadline.com/2012/01/exclusive-hollywood-moguls-stopping-obama-donations-because-of-administrations-piracy-stand/)
Hollywood mad
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They won't give a dime
:3
He won't give a damn
B3
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So when will internet shut down?
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So when will internet shut down?
Obama Rejected the bill
http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/obama-stops-controversial-sopa-internet-piracy-bill/ (http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/obama-stops-controversial-sopa-internet-piracy-bill/)
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So when will internet shut down?
Obama Rejected the bill
http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/obama-stops-controversial-sopa-internet-piracy-bill/ (http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/obama-stops-controversial-sopa-internet-piracy-bill/)
Meaning I can take off this black box?
To be honest, I kind of liked it.
Of course you can keep it.
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So when will internet shut down?
Next week mabby
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So when will internet shut down?
Obama Rejected the bill
http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/obama-stops-controversial-sopa-internet-piracy-bill/ (http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/obama-stops-controversial-sopa-internet-piracy-bill/)
correction: the bill hasn't been voted on yet.
if it passes through congress, it'll go to him, which he'll veto, then it will go to the senate which will require a 2/3 vote to pass.
i may be totally wrong on some of that. not having a social studies class hurts
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Congress dropped SOPA and PIPA. At least for now.
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that's good, although they will probably have a modified version soon...
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MegaUploads Dangerous Secrets affect YOU, Mike Mozart JeepersMedia ACTA / PIPA / SOPA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tD1yaE0GfQ#)
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Whoa, cool, I'll get a free ride and we gonna be inmates at SUPERJAIL like a happy gg2 family!
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I don't think we need the banner anymore.
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The United States is fucking up. Time to go to Canada.
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I was thinking that the Americans and shit could support a genuinely good presidential candidate. If someone was down-to-earth and intelligent, they could really grab onto both sides and stay there. We have the tools to spread the word and I'm sure we could get the support of some of the less evil corporations.
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I was thinking that the Americans and shit could support a genuinely good presidential candidate. If someone was down-to-earth and intelligent, they could really grab onto both sides and stay there. We have the tools to spread the word and I'm sure we could get the support of some of the less evil corporations.
The problem is that to even get to the position of a candidate, you have to have massive amounts of people and money backing you up. Those amounts are not gained honestly, and not without having to pledge yourself to a variety of big wallets (like those complaining now that Obama broke his part of the deal).
You also have to think that the good people often prefer the industry; Far more money and much less problems.
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What about that guy who was outsourcing his income to puerto rico to avoid taxes? Sounds kinda sleezy to me, I wouldn't vote for him.
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Stand Together: The Gaming Community vs SOPA and PIPA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHOZcHkvkvs&feature=g-u-u&context=G211def8FUAAAAPAABAA#)
Oh by the way, new bill is called something different now
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Got these info from Everyboty forums, please guys don't skim 'em
OP here with an ACTA update. Today might be the darkest day of the internet. I'm going to give you all of the information about ACTA I possibly can, because we may not get another chance.
ACTA information (http://pastebin.com/ytZ7N1x7)
Who to call to make it stop (http://pastebin.com/55fkBK5f)
Operation: Anti-Acta (http://pastebin.com/2uDRBS1F)
ACTA UK Support (http://pastebin.com/pFgN3QLZ)
List of European MPE's and their stance toward ACTA implementation (http://pastebin.com/WAM58HDv)
IRC and other websites (http://pastebin.com/ytZ7N1x7)
This is all the information i've been able to gather. Everything I know. They can take our Freedom, but they can never take our Internet. No matter what happens in the next few days, never stop fighting Everyboty. Never give up. Godspeed to all of you.
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Your links aren't working (at least for me), try this:
OP here with an ACTA update. Today might be the darkest day of the internet. I'm going to give you all of the information about ACTA I possibly can, because we may not get another chance.
ACTA information (http://pastebin.com/ytZ7N1x7)
Who to call to make it stop (http://pastebin.com/55fkBK5f)
Operation: Anti-Acta (http://pastebin.com/2uDRBS1F)
ACTA UK Support (http://pastebin.com/pFgN3QLZ)
List of European MPE's and their stance toward ACTA implementation (http://pastebin.com/WAM58HDv)
IRC and other websites (http://pastebin.com/ytZ7N1x7)
This is all the information i've been able to gather. Everything I know. They can take our Freedom, but they can never take our Internet. No matter what happens in the next few days, never stop fighting Everyboty. Never give up. Godspeed to all of you.
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I know orpheon I directly quoted the whole thing then noticed they were borked
I fixed them now
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After reading them, I think this is going a bit too far. This bill isn't as bad as SOPA was, and stands sort of a chance of becoming something.
Piracy is a problem that needs a solution, after all.
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What I am real angry about though is that instead of pinpointing logical solutions the governments are just taking broad shots at whatever may hold any sort of copyright infringing material.
I can understand if they want to shut down someone who is holding and uploading an Harry Potter movie, but flat out closing the curtains on whoever uploads but a small clip, or even uses said material as a form of parody or even uses just the characters and or situations as a medium to convey an information is wrong.
It's exactly why locking file sharing websites is a terrible idea, because even though there's a lot of pirated information that doesn't mean that it's the only thing that is present on said website. It would have been so much better if instead of trying to nuke everything to stop piracy they'd have tried to make lives for pirates nearly impossible, think of dozenload of parsers, impossibly complicated file extensions and sizes, heck what valve does with its own games is basically the perfect anti piracy act, they make you WANT to buy the actual thing and/or make it impossible for people to have it fake. That's a good way to do that, but instead it's fairly obvious that the only intent for the government is to control every damn thing that's being said on the internet. THERE ARE different ways and even effective ones to take on piracy, after all.
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Also, grim news: ACTA passed in Poland, so I request once again that everyone starts stacking up on whatever information (in order to avoid making more direct statements I'll just call any video, image, text or website holding copyrighted and free contents independently from its scope) so that we can be on the safe side if this starts to affect us all worldwide.
I am fairly sure things will start looking bright again in not even that long stretch of time, but I must request that any kind of obscure and rare content you people might have seen floating around the internet be obtained immediately in order to avoid the irreparable loss of information.
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Valve can afford to make impossible protocols and stuff because they can rightly claim to own all and everything using it. Valve has a monopoly over their products, and because of that they can do that without anyone noticing.
Trying to fight my way through that leaked document on p-bay. Wow, law speech is unintelligible.
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Law is a means for governments to block citizens in their path towards justice by stressing the importance of using whatever obscure word they can to convey the most simple rules.
This creates ambiguity and with ambiguity comes uncertainty and ignorance. Anarchy is a government that types in 13372P33CH. It works as well as you might think it does.
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Law is a means for governments to block citizens in their path towards justice by stressing the importance of using whatever obscure word they can to convey the most simple rules.
This creates ambiguity and with ambiguity comes uncertainty and ignorance. Anarchy is a government that types in 13372P33CH. It works as well as you might think it does.
Actually, law is a try to formally code all situations in a way to objectively trial people to keep the civilization alive. You need law, or stuff goes wrong. Rules in life aren't simple, and neither are moral rules, so there's no reason why law should be. Law is for the community, not for the individual. Or at least, that's the theory.
On top of that, this document is a draft, and still has all those edits, proposals, commentaries and stuff that weren't necessarily meant to be read by someone not versed in it.
It's like saying code is obscure on purpose when it should not so that programmers can write trojans and stuff and be sure that no-one other than they can recognize them.
So, it's normal that this is hard to read, you have to predict each possible mis-understanding and rule it out. But it doesn't make it easier to spot important stuff =/
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Stuff isn't so easy round here, there's a bigger fear of law than an actual loyalty to it, mainly because it is unjust for the many and imposes plenty of necessities that weigh economically on every middle class person.
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so anything for ACTA?
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Another informative vid about the whole issue, even though SOPA and PIPA are defeated for the moment:
http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/sopa-pipa (http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/sopa-pipa)
ACTA is definitely a concern as well. Some people are saying that agreement is not as bad as SOPA and PIPA would have been, but that's not an argument that can be allowed to count. Otherwise, lobbyist groups could just push out draconian ideas to bind the public attention while getting the slightly less horrible legislation passed that they actually want.
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As far as I know, ACTA is different from the other two in the way that while it isn't a legal act that enforces any actual law, it's an agreement to kick start a whole lot more of them with even more disastrous repercussions when it is actually accepted worldwide.
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Yes, ACTA as such does not have any legal consequences afaik. But it will create pressure for lawmakers all over the world to create legislation which satisfies this agreement.
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https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/please-submit-acta-senate-ratification-required-constitution-trade-agreements/VgZJGZMt?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl (https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/please-submit-acta-senate-ratification-required-constitution-trade-agreements/VgZJGZMt?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl)
Join the bandwagon, peeps
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In case people are wondering about it, Megaupload can't do much, however the company hosting their files will keep them alive for a few more weeks.
This means that if you have anything backed up on that place, you'll be able to get it as soon as they reopen up shop for a short while.
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I'm not an actual internet activist here, but it won't hurt to spread the word.
If you had a megaupload account, two weeks from now they're gonna delete your stuff permanently, so it's the best time to retrieve whatever you've put in there. Also, opposition to ACTA is getting weaker, so I suggest you guys keep yourself informed or we risk making it look just like any other news - broadcasted extensively for a couple of weeks, then no one cares about it anymore.
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Anonymous: Operation Black 'March' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWzRHnVbw5I&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL#)
Just what I thought they'd try to do
I'd like if you guys could partake in this, I'm already in because I don't ever buy shit anyhow
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Let's hope steam doesn't have the compulsive super sale.
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Steam might end up doing something like that if they're smart, but they don't really support that thing at valve.
If you really think about it, I don't really think that any of the 4000 submitted items to their workshop were created with any legally bought program. A lot of their publicity comes from people using downloaded video editing programs and picture editing tools that would normally be sold for a bit over the hundreds of dollars. They'll lose a LOT of viral marketing.
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I'd like if you guys could partake in this, I'm already in because I don't ever buy shit anyhow
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I don't think this will have any major impact, but even if it does, won't the content IP owners just blame piracy and turn it into an argument for these measures?
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IMO it will just piss them off heavily, but seeing as we're their consumers either they'll have to declare forfeit on the bill or they'll at least endure some hard times because of it.
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Even if it works it's just going to give them enormous 2nd quarter profits because all the sales are just going to get shifted ahead a quarter. It's not like multi-billion dollar corporations can't hold over until April by which point they probably won't remember this.
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omg we should do somethign about this
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IMO it will just piss them off heavily, but seeing as we're their consumers either they'll have to declare forfeit on the bill or they'll at least endure some hard times because of it.
We are like Gandhi if he was jewish.
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What I really can't understand is why anonymous thought of hitting government websites that no one bothers using anyhow
They're not stopping the government and if anything they should've hit commercial websites or something actually useful
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What I really can't understand is why anonymous thought of hitting government websites that no one bothers using anyhow
They're not stopping the government and if anything they should've hit commercial websites or something actually useful
didn't they ddos time warner or some other companies that are pushing for sopa
its not like they're only trying to ddos one website at a time
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something actually useful
^The reason anonymous didn't do it
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something actually useful
^The reason anonymous didn't do it
heh
@NAGN: still there's no real reason to block websites that are barely ever visited
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its a commerical website though :z8:
why would you knock out random websites that are not afflicted with sopa just for the hell of it
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it's not really about causing financial distress, it's just about saying hey we don't like you
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It's still a pretty stupid move, because the only thing it does is push Anonymous's reputation more and more towards a shady one, which is not what you want when doing politics.
And if this is supposed to be blackmail, it's going to fail so hard.
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its a commerical website though :z8:
why would you knock out random websites that are not afflicted with sopa just for the hell of it
Why are we stating the same thing
it's not really about causing financial distress, it's just about saying hey we don't like you
That's pretty retarded
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Messing with Seaman 04/30/08 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-71Ms80Qc4&feature=BFa&list=SL&lf=sh_e_se#)
4:25
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92 minuti di applausi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDr7fi1gFco#)
I wish we could redirect to specific times in embedded videos, instead of mangling the link until it redirects us to youtube itself
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If SOPA actually passes,we can post a piratebay link on some official Govenement Website.
Of course they can just put some puny law to stop it/arleary put something but
Whythefucknot
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If SOPA actually passes,we can post a piratebay link on some official Govenement Website.
Of course they can just put some puny law to stop it/arleary put something but
Whythefucknot
Because the official governement website might get problems, but so will you.
The gov can take care of itself.