Ranking Reform

[trog]

Of course not. That's not even the point...

The problem with inactivity doesn't make any logical sense, it's mainly just people being butthurt over rosters without understanding why.

[Killah Zillah]

I highly doubt that every person on the winning clan would forget or "not feel like" reporting their win, so this claim makes absolutely no sense to me.

Okay, you know what? Sit tight. I'm going to create a small program which will show you just how easy this can be to manage.

1) It could happen, I'm just throwing that out there as another possible reason why Trog's method failed. It could also be because of the roster system, it could be for any number of reasons, but the reason I think is because people were not wanting to bother with the system due to its complexity.

2) That's overkill, I know it's doable, I'm just saying that it's an unappealing system that'll more than likely scare off any newcomers looking at it, simply for it LOOKING complex. They won't think twice about closing that tab and looking elsewhere on the forums if it doesn't look easy or fun to get into. Haven't you ever taken a first glance at a post, figured it wasn't your time, judged it by its cover and moved on? We all have, that's being human. Just looking too complex is enough to disuade most people from reading further.

Shall we agree on one point, that your system isn't as instantly understandable TO LOOK AT as mine, and as such is MORE LIKELY to draw in people? And if that's the case, how would your system encourage the already apathetic clanners to take up arms again, like the good ol' days? I don't think you remarked on that, you said that it would be more strategic, but being strategic wouldn't encourage people to pick up a game they haven't been interested in in a while -

I just realized...

Are the moderators even WILLING to accept a third option?? Where ARE they, we really need some of these questions answered, otherwise I'm debating a system without reason!

Dang, I must have missed Mell-O's idea to have some testing month go on.. It would have to be longer than a month though, four matches are hard to rustle up in ONE month, two would make it easier.... Would the moderators go for that idea though? THey already said they'd discuss it between themselves after we're done here to determine which they go with, would this bother them?

You responded to my idea and even shot it down LOL

Anyways are you thinking of reconsidering, now that you know what I'm talking about?

And before anyone says it's too much work, I'd expect the people who are defending their systems to actually take responsibility and not pile the number crunching on someone else were their system to be chosen, so I figure that they might as well get used to it lol

I'd be willing to manage BW's hypothetical system, but I'm sure he can handle it himself

I didn't shoot it down, I said I liked the idea of another mockup thread being posted and wondered aloud if the moderators would accept it in the hopes that Nukleus would see and answer without needing to be PM'd!

This thread sure did get active in a hurry, didn't it? Also, I just realized that you misinterpreted me saying, "that's what we tried with this thread" as me shooting it down, not the moderator comment. I was just mentioning it with a silly, "I know, right?" tone.

[Teekytots [PC:CWD]]

god damn you people are still trying to come to a complex solution to an age old problem
stop trying to reinvent the wheel

I agree with him.

Guys for real, let's not care about goddamn ranks. If a clan's good, then we'll know who is the best ni all the way heheheh

[Killah Zillah]

god damn you people are still trying to come to a complex solution to an age old problem
stop trying to reinvent the wheel

I agree with him.

Guys for real, let's not care about goddamn ranks. If a clan's good, then we'll know who is the best ni all the way heheheh

I just think that ranks are a good place to start with revitalizing this section of the forums, that's all. PHS beats the ress, confrontational confidential and professional hehe16

[Waterfall]

On the topic of clan activity, I think a moderator dropping by an inactive clan every week or two saying "You guys plan on doing anything" will honestly make a big difference

[Killah Zillah]

On the topic of clan activity, I think a moderator dropping by an inactive clan every week or two saying "You guys plan on doing anything" will honestly make a big difference

As a literal warning of inactivity, or just to remind them they haven't warred in a while? That would be a fantastic idea, say every Wednesday a moderator comes into each thread to say, "How're y'all doin'? Got any wars planned?" That would put juuuust the right amount of pressure to encourage them to get off their butts!

Not the right place to suggest that, it should be in the "Clans section is dying" thread, but it's a great idea if it's just as a reminder.

[Smokey Joe]

god damn you people are still trying to come to a complex solution to an age old problem
stop trying to reinvent the wheel

I agree with him.

Guys for real, let's not care about goddamn ranks. If a clan's good, then we'll know who is the best ni all the way heheheh

I was looking for a system that trog might have been looking for, but yeah, in the end, ranks aren't going to save the clan forum. You're best off just making clan opportunities more frequent and easier to get into. This all seems rather superficial.

[Killah Zillah]

I was looking for a system that trog might have been looking for, but yeah, in the end, ranks aren't going to save the clan forum. You're best off just making clan opportunities more frequent and easier to get into. This all seems rather superficial.

That's why Nukleus is doing away with the roster system, which might be one of the main problems Troggy's system was rarely used. Whether or not a new system is chosen, taking out rosters will definitely free up more opportunities for clans.

[Teekytots [PC:CWD]]

On the topic of clan activity, I think a moderator dropping by an inactive clan every week or two saying "You guys plan on doing anything" will honestly make a big difference

really, that works? hmmmm....

[Intel Guard]

this thread makes my head hurt

[Smokey Joe]

I was looking for a system that trog might have been looking for, but yeah, in the end, ranks aren't going to save the clan forum. You're best off just making clan opportunities more frequent and easier to get into. This all seems rather superficial.

That's why Nukleus is doing away with the roster system, which might be one of the main problems Troggy's system was rarely used. Whether or not a new system is chosen, taking out rosters will definitely free up more opportunities for clans.

What's wrong with rosters?

[Killah Zillah]

this thread makes my head hurt

Mine too, but only because I've been debating for 3 days straight and I've got a clawcramp.

What's wrong with rosters?

Clans wouldn't be allowed to participate in tourneys unless they had one, you could only have ranked matches with one, and it made people have to choose only one clan to be with even if they managed to participate in one. THis is a serious problem because it's hard to get ANYONE to show up for wars, it's like pulling teeth to get people to come when they say they will, much less a small select group of your clan members that have chosen to only play for YOU. Basically, puting too many rules on something that's meant to be fun makes it unfun, like a suffocating and fussy mother overrestricting playtime.

[trog]

If that was true people would just play unranked matches.

[Killah Zillah]

If that was true people would just play unranked matches.

And they do, why're you pointing it out?

[Vein]

So what, no getting people into the clan section via other methods of getting points besides playing gg2?

So much for my "All hail VEIN!" art contest...