Roster discussion

[<USPP> Spectatin]

(My reading comprehension probably failed somewhere prior to making this post, be warned)

I believe that this rule would work if there was a larger active playerbase for GG2. As it is, there are too few players, and even fewer interested in forming groups for serious play with other groups. (Personal speculation, but I believe that this rule will lead to at most 5 truly competitive, ranked clans) Due to the relative smallness of the GG2 community, there is more familiarity between players than there would be in a larger community, leading to many clans sharing members.

EDIT: yarrr pagebombing yarr

other EDIT: Another bit of speculation, most existing clans seem to not have been founded based on the common desire for supersrs play.

[Waterfall]

I didn't read many posts outside of page 4 but I'll regurgitate my own idea of how things should work:

- All clans start as a general clan
- You are limited to 2/3 general clans
- General clans may participate in clan tourneys

- A clan may dedicate 8 members from their general roster to a competitive roster
- You can only be on one competitive roster
- Only clans with competitive rosters will be ranked

- A clan may announce modifications to its roster during the first week of each month
- Exceptions are to be approved by a moderator

- If a clan thread with a comp roster is inactive for two weeks, its position on the rankings will be reset
- Said clan will also be banned from announcing a competitive roster for a month
- If a clan thread without a comp roster is inactive for two weeks, it will be announced dead

[Fish]

When you say inactive  do you mean war/scrim wise or?

[Waterfall]

I meant the clan's thread itself

Personally I dot have anything against the once in a blue moon legendary clan, but I'm just molding this around RBY's style in judging activity levels

[Fish]

Oh okay, I thought you meant organized events. I like your idea.

[this guy]

I like Mellow's idea as well. 0^:

[Smokey Joe]

Sounds good to me.

I still don't really think there needs to be any limit on general rosters, but that's the only thing that comes to my attention.

[RedBluYellow]

I didn't read many posts outside of page 4 but I'll regurgitate my own idea of how things should work:

- All clans start as a general clan
- You are limited to 2 general clans (2 limit was suggested a lot)
- General clans may participate in clan tourneys

- A clan may dedicate 8 members from their general roster to a competitive roster
- You can only be on one competitive roster
- Only clans with competitive rosters will be ranked

- A clan may announce modifications to its roster during the first week of each month
- Exceptions are to be approved by a moderator

- If a clan thread with a comp roster is inactive for two weeks, its position on the rankings will be reset
- Said clan will also be banned from announcing a competitive roster for a month
- If a clan thread without a comp roster is inactive for two weeks, it will be announced dead

Oh finally, feedback that isn't 'LOL RULE SUX FUCK YOU RBY'

yes, this is good. It still holds the basic idea of not letting the same people play for every single clan and still has the limit. Except the last thing, which should be the second time it happens.

Though when you say 'general clans may participate in tournaments', do you mean the roster of the general clan or the clan in its entire? If its the clan in its entire, that basically defeats the point of this all since it can be the same people again. If that roster is allowed to participate, then yes.

There were reasonable, explanatory posts in the previous thread, but RBY is being a stubborn bastard.

All those arguments were countered by people that actually made sensible posts instead of being mad against someone who tries to fix things. See this as your first warning.

[RedBluYellow]

Also, I'm sick of people not actually saying what they think is wrong with it when they say they don't like the idea. If if they say what they believe it's wrong with it, that same argument was countered long ago (mostly by Trog I believe)

Anymore attacks towards me

There were reasonable, explanatory posts in the previous thread, but RBY is being a stubborn bastard.

From the members of the GG2F: We hate you RBY.

(or anyone suggesting something for that matter) will result in strikes since I'm getting pissed. You've been warned

[RedBluYellow]

Now, if anyone wants to go further on Mellow's suggestion, go ahead

[this guy]

Hmm, just noticed that "General clans may participate in tourneys".

Don't think I agree on that one. Nothing really to prevent multi-clanning. Then again this also has the same problem as joining the clan but not participating in gg2 wars (or at least, tourney wars).

I actually was planning on sorta circumventing this general/comp silliness by getting Enchi to make a 2nd SOS-like clan, but I think Mellow's idea would fix me doing this. v:

[RedBluYellow]

General clans having a limit of 2
General clan can only enter a tourney with their roster?

[this guy]

Hmm, sorta reminds me of team-making in other tournies, but having a slightly bigger pool to choose from.

I'd be fine with that.

[Orpheon]

well to use your example of LORD, they already have a team of 4 people set up in their OP, which is a unique team. They could add another 4 more of their best players and be a comp clan, they'd just have to sit down and see who doesn't align with comp clans (can't play much, doesn't like srs bsns).

i find it kind of silly how people consider unlimited member count a benefit when they aren't even using the entirety of the member pool for wars. It's not like there's a whole lot of discussion going on in clan threads, and even then you don't have to be a member to chime in.

I guess the problem here is there's a big change to the structure of clans and it requires the leaders to sit down and choose who to cut, and all those cut people have to go and make new clans, and there's a lot of shifting. I guess that would be a pretty big merit to the war roster model since you don't really have to cut or add anyone which makes it a bit easier to transition to.

so yeah actually if this doesnt work out in a week or so I'd support the war roster thing

The reason LORD (and probably a few other clans as well) hates this rule is because you force us to choose which members get to stay and which don't, if we want to stay comp.

I completely support Mellow's suggestion, because it allows infinite people to be in a clan but lets it stay competitive by forcing it's war team (which will probably cause a lot of re-scheduling as people can't always play, but yeah), which I care much less about.

General clans having a limit of 2
General clan can only enter a tourney with their roster?

Exactly.

[this guy]

I completely support Mellow's suggestion, because it allows infinite people to be in a clan but lets it stay competitive by forcing it's war team (which will probably cause a lot of re-scheduling as people can't always play, but yeah), which I care much less about.

Hmm, that's true.

Of course somebody might have last minute plans, but how would the sub rule work. Should the sub be a person from their clan, or could it be anyone? v:

I think only someone from the non-comp roster should be able to sub, IMO.