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« Reply #75 on: December 13, 2011, 12:12:26 pm » |
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You are right. I am against this because I am in 3 clans, but I am as devoted as I am to PHS as I am to BRO. Not THA though because if BRO or PHS were to fight THA, I would fight for PHS. But I also think that you guys won't be able to execute this well enough. But the clan limit would be 6 right? BRO atm has 10 members, what would happen to the other 4. No clan alive right now has 6 or less members all of them would be clan less.
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« Reply #76 on: December 13, 2011, 12:18:08 pm » |
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Every time BRO wars, it seems like you prefer you, rewrite, stonetribe, starky and luljeezus fighting. That's 5, you still have room for 2 more. 7 should be the limit possibly. You are right. I am against this because I am in 3 clans, but I am as devoted as I am to PHS as I am to BRO. Not THA though because if BRO or PHS were to fight THA, I would fight for PHS. But I also think that you guys won't be able to execute this well enough. But the clan limit would be 6 right? BRO atm has 10 members, what would happen to the other 4. No clan alive right now has 6 or less members all of them would be clan less.
Give a valid reason why we wouldn't. We're going in circles here. I already said those 4 could look for another clan instead of them also joining the 'better' clan. That's one of the problems we're trying to fight here: good players stacking to good clans multiple times, leaving the 'weaker' clans with less devoted members. People should be spread better. |
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« Reply #77 on: December 13, 2011, 12:23:30 pm » |
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Actually I use 7 you forgot Tetriole and Fugitive (he died :<). Thats why I said you win, I just disagree about the 6 clan member shit can't find a reason. My only reason is that people would have no clan to join.
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« Reply #78 on: December 13, 2011, 12:25:58 pm » |
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Them possibly having no clan to join would be the solution to ''hurr clans will die''. New ones with those people would be created and it would be a new clan, instead of a 'new' clan but it has members that are already in other clans. Actually I use 7 you forgot Tetriole and Fugitive (he died :<). Thats why I said you win, I just disagree about the 6 clan member shit can't find a reason. My only reason is that people would have no clan to join.
If you never use Fugitive, that makes 6. Still room for one more. |
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« Reply #79 on: December 13, 2011, 12:29:36 pm » |
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Uh, suggestion?
Maybe assuming the system I proposed gets in, there could be a specialized clan that consists solely of people who can sub in for others in wars and pugs. This would technically be a "fluff" clan (meaning you can be a sub and still be in an actual war clan), but because it relates to ranked wars and pugs, it would be lead by a moderator or someone who can ensure that the best rules are set for that particular clan.
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« Reply #80 on: December 13, 2011, 12:36:05 pm » |
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Uh, suggestion?
Maybe assuming the system I proposed gets in, there could be a specialized clan that consists solely of people who can sub in for others in wars and pugs. This would technically be a "fluff" clan (meaning you can be a sub and still be in an actual war clan), but because it relates to ranked wars and pugs, it would be lead by a moderator or someone who can ensure that the best rules are set for that particular clan.
Well we had a subs list once, people didn't really rely on it since they just ask whoever is available to sub. So this wouldn't be all that useful and the work this would require outweighs the general upside. |
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« Reply #81 on: December 13, 2011, 03:06:19 pm » |
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A clan limit of 1 instead of 2 has ridiculously stronger downsides than upsides. Preventing someone from having to pick which clan to fight for in the off chance of their two clans warring, when they're just a regular member, is a minor issue compared to someone getting stuck with one clan that doesn't war often, has serious organization issues, etc.
Additionally, with how GG2 clans are organized at the moment, a limit of 8 players is just too low for a comp clan. You can get maybe 2/5 of your members to show up reliably, if they're not friends of your anyway. You can see that with Fw>; Me, S-Z, and Intel are the only people to show up to every match we've had, and that's just because we're close bros anyway. And we have fourteen members. If you go ahead and look at [BRO], you have people no-showing all over the place, but they still get things done because they have enough members.
There could, if you /really/ wanted to have the /perfectly serious/ clans have a special rule imposed on them where they can only have people be in 1 of those clans, and have a member limit of like 7 or 8, make it a new category. But I don't think it's a good idea. It's too complicated of an overhaul, and doesn't fit with how gg2 comp works, socially.
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« Reply #82 on: December 13, 2011, 03:43:08 pm » |
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Imo a 1 clan limit would severely reduce the number of clans and overall reduce the amount of variety in clan wars (i.e. always facing the same people)
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« Reply #83 on: December 13, 2011, 03:48:49 pm » |
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Imo a 1 clan limit would severely reduce the number of clans and overall reduce the amount of variety in clan wars (i.e. always facing the same people)
The problem with this is we're always versing the same people anyway, because people are in like 7 different clans and playing for all of them in every war. Footpop, for example. This discussion about a member limit is honestly ridiculous imo, just impose a limit on the number of clans allowed to be joined and allow as many members as you want. You're still getting unique members and you don't need to rely on subs when 5 of your 7 allotted members cannot show. Whether or not you want to keep a person in based on how dedicated they are is up to you, people should be allowed to join the one or two clans of their choosing. In the end, it's up to them to be dedicated, not the mods. If a person is doing nothing for the clan, they should be kicked. Furthermore, it's forcing people to choose from a smaller pool of clans as many will have hit their member limit already. Furthermore, this whole "fluff" clan shit is bothering me. Any clan could designate themselves as a fluff clan to exploit certain priveleges and loopholes. IMO a clan an have a funny/lighthearted theme but every clan must have the same rules. Otherwise you're just opening yourself up to new problems and confusion. In an ideal world where clans was very, very active and had lots of good players a 1 clan limit would be quite feasible. Unfortunately, that is not the reality of clans. We have only have so many people to work with, so a 2 clan limit is much better than 1. |
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« Reply #84 on: December 13, 2011, 04:11:07 pm » |
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« Reply #85 on: December 13, 2011, 04:16:01 pm » |
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Just leave the clans section the way it was. These rules are so pointless, what can they possibly achieve. According to the op, only close wars and no steam rolls.... So you wan't all clans to be level wise equal? That would make clans a lot less interesting
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« Reply #86 on: December 13, 2011, 04:31:14 pm » |
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Furthermore, this whole "fluff" clan shit is bothering me. Any clan could designate themselves as a fluff clan to exploit certain priveleges and loopholes. IMO a clan an have a funny/lighthearted theme but every clan must have the same rules. Otherwise you're just opening yourself up to new problems and confusion. What problems are we talking about exactly? |
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« Reply #87 on: December 13, 2011, 05:07:58 pm » |
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Furthermore, this whole "fluff" clan shit is bothering me. Any clan could designate themselves as a fluff clan to exploit certain priveleges and loopholes. IMO a clan an have a funny/lighthearted theme but every clan must have the same rules. Otherwise you're just opening yourself up to new problems and confusion. What problems are we talking about exactly? Did you read the rest of the thread before asking me to just restate what's been said? Too many loopholes are opened up, you're looking at activity exemptions, people naming their clans fluff but acting as a competitive unit for laxer restrictions, and people joining a shitload of fluff clans to bypass the rules. Again all of this has been basically said, and in past arguments too. "fluff" is just sugarcoating the term "joke clan" and those have been debated since forever. IMO joke clans don't need to exist as they war, just like every other clan, and are thus subject to the same rules. You're just setting aside a place for clans with stupid themes to get off scot free for things other clans couldn't. Therefore, the fluff clan idea is shit. Sorry. |
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« Reply #88 on: December 13, 2011, 05:53:01 pm » |
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Furthermore, this whole "fluff" clan shit is bothering me. Any clan could designate themselves as a fluff clan to exploit certain priveleges and loopholes. IMO a clan an have a funny/lighthearted theme but every clan must have the same rules. Otherwise you're just opening yourself up to new problems and confusion. What problems are we talking about exactly? Did you read the rest of the thread before asking me to just restate what's been said? Too many loopholes are opened up, you're looking at activity exemptions, people naming their clans fluff but acting as a competitive unit for laxer restrictions, and people joining a shitload of fluff clans to bypass the rules. Again all of this has been basically said, and in past arguments too. "fluff" is just sugarcoating the term "joke clan" and those have been debated since forever. IMO joke clans don't need to exist as they war, just like every other clan, and are thus subject to the same rules. You're just setting aside a place for clans with stupid themes to get off scot free for things other clans couldn't. Therefore, the fluff clan idea is shit. Sorry. I asked you to restate it because I honestly don't see any issues with the idea stated here that can't be fixed. Here, I'll even revise my idea into something a little more simplified and clearer to what I'm personally aiming for: Wars- Organized, ranked "tournaments" and "pugs" between two competitive clans. Comp certified clans- Can participate in "official" tournaments and pugs - War clan restrictions apply. Non-comp certified clans- Cannot participate in "official" tournaments and pugs - War clan restrictions do not apply. If your clan is "fluff", then it is ineligible for official wars, period. If it's comp-certified, you can center around fun things like partying in public servers and whatnot, but you have to follow the restrictions laid out for comp. The only requirement for this to work is that there be "official" wars and that people are more inclined to follow them and not some unofficial alternative. If that requirement is met, what exactly do we have to worry about here? |
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