[AT] The A Team

[RedBluYellow]

Sure thing bro

[Milhouse]

Soooo... How late is the upcoming war in Belgian time?

[Lone Wolf]

RBY: what time is it gainst toa
RBY: 2 pm est?
RBY: thats 20:00

[Intel Guard]

you guys play with euro host a majority of the wars, and only half your team is european and their entirety is north american. it should be majority rules. go with a canadian/american server. what you're looking to do is give yourself an advantage. a whole team shouldnt have to put up with problems, however minor, so two of you (rby, lw) can have smooth play. us servers are really reputable anyway, and people all around the world play o them with minimal lag. if you say certain us players can put up with the lag on some euro servers, than euro players can definitely put up with lag on us servers.

however

if more than half or your whole team is european, the fairest thing to do is get two hosts (euro/us) and switch servers every other match. this is what was done in the gg2 world exhibition tourney.

in the end majority should rule. if there are more north american players than euro players, the server should be based in na, or close to it. if it was the other way around, a european server would be used. i'm being serious here. i don't like what you're trying to do.

ps. there are like 4 players here who are actually european out of your entire clan, and you mostly get compushwa to play (who is canadian) and footpop (who plays on us servers fine)

[RedBluYellow]

Actually, we've played on american servers a whole lot of times but we decided it just isn't fair if the americans get the advantage every single time while we have to deal with 210 ping, and the game is not enjoyable at all this way. After that idiotic as hell BRO match me and LW thought of the idea of letting people play competitive games on my server to see what they think of it. Only a few complain, but most americans actually say it's fine.

If I recall correctly, the war against DMG was hosted by Mal last time, who is the leader of DMG. Now a member of AT hosts the match, is that so bad then?

Almost all wars europeans have played in are hosted an american servers, I don't see why it shouldn't be the other way around for once?

[Intel Guard]

regardless, you have won every match and it doesn't seem to be a hindrance on your ability to do so. and furthermore, my point still stands. the majority rules. a whole group of people shouldn't have to suffer so two people do not.

and almost wars europeans have played on american servers, they have been just one member of a usually north american based clan (the euro guy is almost always a sub.) when is the last time a new host has been fetched because one person will lag? as a further anecdote, i played for the west coast team against korea, and i'm east coast. you know how much i lagged? i had to play on wc and kor servers. but you have to bear it, because you're sacrificing the whole thing slipping through the cracks finding a specifically east coast server so you won't lag. and guess who will lag because of /that/ move. everyone else.

looking at your team comp for each war, again, half the time you have americans and canadians making up one half your team, while the other team is completely na.

so, majority should rule. you win everytime anyway. why doe sit even matter. this is toa we're talking about.

[Lone Wolf]

In 9 wars we've played 3 of them on EU servers. 1 of them against PH and the other against LORD, both clans mostly have EU players.
Against PH it was a 3v4 with us having Comp on our team playing and recording and the only thing he did was gunspin, sing and shoot once in a while.
Against Lord they had OLag (EU), Orpheon (EU), Swag Bastud? (US) and I don't remember the name of the last person. We had me (EU), RBY (EU), Footpop (US) and Comp (Canadian). I remember the match on cp_kistra, I was in a call with Comp and he didn't even shoot a single bullet as heavy.

[RedBluYellow]

^

Also, it's not fair always giving the majority the advantage... Also the reason why we have won those wars is because, for once, we could actually move around properly? Jeez, why is it so bad we're trying to enjoy this game?

Also, I was talking about the war with DMG, on which Mal sort of agreed on me hosting :v (well, we would still need to test it but you get the point)

[Intel Guard]

In 9 wars we've played 3 of them on EU servers. 1 of them against PH and the other against LORD, both clans mostly have EU players.
Against PH it was a 3v4 with us having Comp on our team playing and recording and the only thing he did was gunspin, sing and shoot once in a while.
Against Lord they had OLag (EU), Orpheon (EU), Swag Bastud? (US) and I don't remember the name of the last person. We had me (EU), RBY (EU), Footpop (US) and Comp (Canadian). I remember the match on cp_kistra, I was in a call with Comp and he didn't even shoot a single bullet as heavy.

i don't see a point to any of that rather than to debunk the first sentence of my first post which wouldn't matter anyway.

I'm pretty sure the last person on LORD was not european, for one because we have a very small european playerbase.

Anyway, regardless one half your team was euro, other half was na. so was LORD. and you guys played on an EU server anyway, so it's fine. there was no real majority here. If the last lord player was eu, than its even better.

idk about the skype thing that's rby and your fault. you were playing on an EU server. compeltely irrelevant and sort of stupid to point out.

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Also, it's not fair always giving the majority the advantage... Also the reason why we have won those wars is because, for once, we could actually move around properly? Jeez, why is it so bad we're trying to enjoy this game?

Also, I was talking about the war with DMG, on which Mal sort of agreed on me hosting :v (well, we would still need to test it but you get the point)

you two are trying to enjoy this game at the expense of the other 6 players. :v

[not this guy]

No idea why he pointed that out.

I wasn't not shooting because of lag but because I wasn't being serious.

[Intel Guard]

furthermore, yeeshh this is going in circles, but even if one of your north american players played fine you are still going against 4 non-euro players who have a good chance of lagging.

majority should always rule in these situations. special privileges to a few is going to defeat the point of a clan war

[RedBluYellow]

you're not getting the point

[Intel Guard]

great response, if you want to actually argue me with actual points, please do. i'm trying to reason with you. if you can't, when you guys play a european server against a clan made up of north american people i'm sure you will have a very legit victory on your hands

[RedBluYellow]

Majority should not ALWAYS have to rule if the other clan agrees with an EU host. Out of all the clans we've warred on my server (not counting at vs random), I think fetus(?) was the only person complaining. Every war went well, you've never even played on my server or against AT so you basically have no grounds for saying that the american people can't stand it.

Anyway, we should take this to pm's. If you still want to talk about this, feel free to do so there

[Intel Guard]

Yes. Get an American/Canadian third party to host then, the majority of the people playing are most likely from North America.

Well, not all of them will, and we'll still lag on another server located there so if we really have to play on one you might as well be the host. But I have no problem with you having host advantage, no that's not the issue. I'd jut like to request the host for once being a European since last time it was an american which played in the favor of DMG. DMG won, and we'd like to see how it would be if I or another European, lets say Derp (or either me), is the host. Plus, as of lately, not everyone in America lags on mine. Crab admitted himself he didn't really lag on it even though he lives in America :v SZ said this to.

My last words on this subject. I feel people should see this. TOA can't make judgements based on what is said hush hush in PMs.

First of all, TOA never explicitly agreed to it. This post here is just you expressing your wish to play on a euro server. You cite that two people (read it, two) are fine with it. If you are going to basically accuse me of making generalizations, you need to look at your own past words too.

You want to play Euro host because DMG won. That's because you want to win, obviously, and you want it so you and LW can play smoothly and fuck up other Americans, who while I can't vouch for specifically, can't. You have won 7 of the 8 wars played, as you have said, with a majority on US servers. I don't see how it is a problem then when you guys can play obviously fine, that the rest should be able to. You're wrecking on their home turf. WHy do you need to wreck on yours?

Oh, it comes down to enjoyment. Again, this enjoyment is at the cost of other players in the war. You can't tell that everyone is gonna have a fun time in your server. More often that not, they don't. You cited /two/ people. And a majority of clan members are North American.

Majority should rule. This agreement shit works, yeah, but anyone with half a brain is gonna see you're trying to put the advantage on your staple two players. It's what I'm pretty sure Mal saw when he said to host us/can.

And that's all I have to say. Do what you want.