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[trog]

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it gets bigger

gg

[Dusty]

The vacation has been extended to retirement.

[RebelINS]

Bard song effects:
1) + Health regen
2) + Defense
3) Weakens enemies' offense (increased range)
4) Makes teammates more floaty

All of the buff songs also affect yourself. The target has to be inside the area of effect for a small amount of time (~20-25 frames) for the effect to take place. This is so you can't just skim across the aura and gain the full effect. Likewise, enemies have to do the same for the debuff to work, hence the increased range. Change songs with 1-4, and I'll probably implement an individual song cooldown as well as a shorter global cooldown.

[Kalir]

Is that also how the Red Mage will work, or will that be more of a Psychopath-style "little bit of everything" unit?

[RebelINS]

Red Mage will have targeted support like the Healer.

[Humble Master]

How does the Bard fight? A complete support class is kind of borring to play unless you have some pretty kick a abilities.

Also Red team's bard should be Jimmy Hendrix 

[RebelINS]

Bard is pure support. You have a weak melee attack with M2, but that's not the point of the class. It'll be boring to play if you find support classes boring. Really though, the class is like a  on steroids. You have an AOE regen heal that is very exploitable.

[Lemonade]

As a Bard, he should be able to shoot magically concrete and damaging musical notes with his instrument like in every game where instruments are weapons. Or something. 

[a/d]

so do the auras last briefly even after they end?

stacking auras is big on similar "state" or "stance" characters in MOBA games, given that they have mana restrictions, and spamming auras to keep all of them active will rapidly leave you useless.

also big is the idea of "activation bonuses," where activating the spell grants an effect (typically offensive in nature), to counterbalance the otherwise team-oriented nature of the class, e.g. damaging and slowing an enemy, damaging multiple nearby enemies, etc.

as good on paper as the idea of a purely supportive class is, the support player still needs to feel like with proper play (kiting, smart terrain use), he can hold his own when things go poorly and his team gets wiped, though obviously, with nowhere near the offensive prowess of an actual fighting class.

not sure how any of that will fit in, assuming the class doesn't have a mana resource or anything of the type (presumably?)

with just the cooldowns/global cooldown, I assume there's no balanced way to stack auras such that the stacking would be useful AND it would be balanced, but I still think the activation bonuses should be at least considered.

[Dronery]

anyone willing to host?

[RebelINS]

The auras don't last that long. like 4-5 seconds. The big thing is that you can prime all of your teammates at once before a big fight, whereas other heal-support classes (psycho, drool warrior, red mage) have to tag along with a medibuddy once the fight starts and micromanage more often. Bard's auras scale better as they affect more of your teammates.

If it turns out that both the Red Mage and Bard need a little something extra in terms of offense so they feel more useful, I'll add that later after we get to test it some more.

[Starky]

I'm pretty excited about playing the new support classes.

[Humble Master]

Oh so the Bard has a big area effect? I though he just played his instrument to heal people like a traditional medic. If he has AOE healing and buffs then I will definatly love playing as that class.

Again, Red Bard should be Jimmy Hendrix.

[RebelINS]

there is no red bard. the red counterpart is red mage.

and besides there's not much room for more black classes.  no racist. if i were to add another, it would be charles barkley with moves from barkley shut up and jam gaiden.

[a/d]

if you do, he should have a chaos dunk which can be used after the game ends, which kills every player and blows up the spaceship