Brainstorm Thread

[RebelINS]

This isn't a discussion on who is and who isn't a 'pub'. The criteria is too subjective. Don't turn this into one of 'those threads' where we rank players based on stupid criteria like post count or popularity (or lack thereof in the case of pub players) or assumed skill levels. In addition to all the problems previously mentioned, picking out players for the event is just as troublesome.

Any effort in trying to muster up enough 'pubby' players for a flawed tournament is better spent on getting active players to participate in one with even teams. But if you look at the winter tournament, there were over 40 players in the pool, yet it fell through the cracks. Good luck trying to track down pub players to play in this.

[Malpracticeisdead]

The Winter tournament fell through because of Airman and Pyropuppy's lack of motivation.

Everyone I named has vinmod.

stonetribe hasn't i think.

 

Edit: a "Pub" to me is someone who plays in public games, someone who isn't much of a competitive player. It doesn't matter about game skill to me. You guys give it some sort of negative connotation.

[RebelINS]

It's not so much about it having a negative connotation as it is about determining who actually is a pub player. Drawing the line for in-game skill is as difficult as finding 'someone who isn't much of a competitive player'. Anyone can just say that they are not a competitive player, and are therefore a pub. And, if in-game skill doesn't matter to you when describing pubs, why does it matter for the pro players? Isn't that a double standard? The whole point of stacking against pro players is to balance for the inherent lack of skill (even though it doesn't really matter as I've already elaborated on).

If we're going to do this sort of organizing where the players involved identify themselves as a pub player, you might as well organize an actual fair tournament.

[Malpracticeisdead]

I'll organize the Winter/Spring tournament if you guys want me to/no one else will.

It's not so much about it having a negative connotation as it is about determining who actually is a pub player. Drawing the line for in-game skill is as difficult as finding 'someone who isn't much of a competitive player'. Anyone can just say that they are not a competitive player, and are therefore a pub.

And, if in-game skill doesn't matter to you when describing pubs, why does it matter for the pro players? If someone is a "pro," usually they're widely considered better than the rest. It has a positive connotation, but the word "pub" doesn't have to have a negative one. This definition from Urban Dictionary is a pretty good definition for "pub," in my opinion.

2. (noun) A player online playing not affiliated with any clans, groups or associations.

Isn't that a double standard? The whole point of stacking against pro players is to balance for the inherent lack of skill (even though it doesn't really matter as I've already elaborated on).

If we're going to do this sort of organizing where the players involved identify themselves as a pub player, you might as well organize an actual fair tournament. see first sentence

[RebelINS]

Positive or negative connotation is wholly irrelevant to the actual problems with the tournament format.

In fact, my argument supported that the 'pub' team would win most of their games in ctf due to the nature of backcap defense, and would win most of their games in cp because they outnumber the other team massively.

If you want to organize a tournament, speak with airman/pyrofag for clearance for taking over, and follow the rules here.

[NAGN]

fusion

[Ignis]

I don't know if my opinion is valid, but I'd like to see something like they do in TF2, a "pubs vs. pros"  matchup.  The pro team would be the 6 highest-seniority people on these forums who still play.  (ie RebelINS, Techno Viking, etc), while the "pubs" would be 9 people that arrived after 2.1 or 2.2 later, yet aren't beta testers or developers, but are more experienced than your average rocketspammer. (ie Uberdeath, AN ENCHILADA) The pubs may play in Highlander style. (no quote)

[Malpracticeisdead]

It's been talked about before, and I supported it, but it was shot down.

[RebelINS]

It's been talked about before, and I supported it, but it was shot down.

It was shot down mainly because the skill difference between 'the best pros' and 'the best pubs' isn't large enough to justify a large player imbalance. Basically, you can't use the same format as TF2 pubs vs pros, because the pros in that game have a much larger buffer of skill (tough airshots, sniping aptitude, aiming in 3d space in general, team synergy).

I have explained this in detail before, so don't act as if I shot it down as if it were a weak feature request. I actually think the concept has merit, but the implementation is too easily skewed to one side or another.

Besides, the community should work on getting actual teams together for a tournament before worrying about specialized functions like this.

[Ignis]

I suppose the difference in skill isn't as great.  I'd still like to see a puppyfight:  oldpuppys vs. newpuppys.  Maybe it's just me.

[Crab]

Man, I could never imagine how that would turn out.

[NAGN]

see: an average stacked game of gg2 (most of them)

[Crab]

see: an average stacked game of gg2 (most of them)

nowadays that is referring to mostly pubs vs all pubs.

[NAGN]

stacked games with regular forumers are a complete disaster, it doesn't make sense to do the same except even less balanced

[Crab]

Well obviously if the pubs vs pros somehow managed to get a kick start we would balance the teams as needed.