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« Reply #45 on: January 10, 2011, 08:32:13 pm »

that idea was bad. It's also not what tf2lobby is. tf2lobby has servers which are specifically used for those matches, but gg2 doesn't have enough servers so it doesn't work.
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« Reply #46 on: January 10, 2011, 09:21:21 pm »

and then why not ask the server host to lock it and password manually instead of having 8 people type /scrim simultaneously and have to use vinmod just to war

eh this isnt the right topic i'll get on skype
Yeah that was a bad idea definitely. But I've talked a bit with a few people, polled my server once, and I think there's enough interest in people playing at a higher level for pugs (pick-up games) to work. Scheduled teams seldom seem to work out well (Feb. 4v4s, Summer clan, All-Star Exhibition, multiple clan wars, even practices have troubles.) due to the trouble of getting 8 people on at the same time. Real life gets in the way, school especially, parents, you know. Off the top of my head, I know just about every match LC is in goes wrong lol.

Pugs let you play in a more competitive setting (not ultra serious like clan wars, but 4v4 highlander kind of forces you to try), without going through the hassle of having 8 people show up at once who are scattered across the country with varying amounts of caring and dedication. People don't care enough to show up a lot. Pugs open things up to more players, including people who don't like clans, can't join clans/are always turned away, people who aren't confident enough to join a clan but still want to practice outside of 3-spies-per-team-pubs, etc.

Remember that competitive play doesn't have to be ultra serious, it just has to have people who care and will give some actual effort. We can't offer prize pots, so the competitive setting here will always be a little more casual, and that's not a bad thing. I think we should encourage friendlier things, like mixed-up teams, playing with people of different skill levels who normally wouldn't play together due to any of several reasons.

But yeah I think it's worth a shot. i keep taking breaks while writing this so I'm sure it's a bit jumbled up, so I'll summarize/re-state.
  • They're fun, and fun is good.
  • They may not be as serious/competitive as clan wars where you're representing something you care about, but I think people will still play hard and give effort in them. If it doesn't work out, then we drop the idea.
  • The community is not ultra serious and we don't exactly have money to throw around and encourage seriousness, so why not have some friendly but skillful play?
  • I think a lot of people just want people to play with better players, not necessarily keyhole-hitting, triple-airshotting, airstabbing tip top level players. That has a place, and that's why we have tourneys and wars, but I think an "in-between" pubs and tourneys would be great, both for newer players inbetween NI-ish level and something like RR-level (no offense to RR) as well as LCish people who are sick of terrible players.

I feel like I'm repeating myself a lot, I'm so bad at this lopl.

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« Reply #47 on: January 10, 2011, 09:53:25 pm »

I'll talk to AEF and see if he wants to host these.

We could do pugs where the members sign up in the thread. Possibly sign up as a captain to choose random teams from the pool of players. Since the schedule is already set, there's no way for the match to be late or postponed. The strength of the match is dependent on the players who are interested and sign up.
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« Reply #48 on: January 10, 2011, 09:57:19 pm »

I can host as well if AEF can't, though I'm a little laggier.
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« Reply #49 on: January 10, 2011, 10:05:05 pm »

I think it's best to have an irc channel. That way you can just idle there, and if 8 people are in you can just start the game. Having to sign up on the forums is a bit tedious, and harder to quickly set up matches.

Although it depends on whether the server host is watching the channel.
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« Reply #50 on: January 10, 2011, 10:06:47 pm »

I'm not sure enough people really use the irc/want to use the irc. I think a thread makes the most sense because I think a major reason for pugs is lack of players, and usage of the irc won't help that much.
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« Reply #51 on: January 10, 2011, 10:08:13 pm »

irc was big pre-vindi. now it's obsolete. so i don't see it as useful for organization as it once was.
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« Reply #52 on: January 10, 2011, 10:16:32 pm »

it's people like you guys that make the IRC be dead z7

i'd love it if more people came to the IRC
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« Reply #53 on: January 10, 2011, 10:16:47 pm »

Dude, there's a subforum here for a reason. It's so threads for organization can exist, and we don't have to resort to realtime irc.
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« Reply #54 on: January 10, 2011, 10:18:04 pm »

The problem with forums is you have to sign on, come check the thread, post you're here, but then oh no your parents said you have to leave so you have to go back and post that you can't play. In irc if you join, being in the list of users quickly tells everyone you can play, and if you can't play just close irc and they instantly know.

Also posting on the forums is very commital. Joining the irc and just saying 'i'm here if you really need someone' seems like it would get more players than having to formally sign up, which might intimidate players, or turn people away because they're too lazy to keep updating their status.

Doesn't have to be irc, but I think an irc channel would be the easiest to set up.
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« Reply #55 on: January 10, 2011, 10:28:47 pm »

Also I'm not really talking about some possible theoretical guy who might find posting on the forums annoying.

I have a pretty erratic schedule, so I can't really commit on the forums and confidently say I'll be on for an hour, and it would be much easier for me to use if it was in IRC or skype or something similar.

And I don't think I'm the only one, otherwise tourneys wouldn't have such a big problem with attendance.
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« Reply #56 on: January 10, 2011, 10:29:02 pm »

irc is also difficult to keep track of as you cannot view past messages without afking forever

which is bad if you're playing gg2 and feel the need to not have irc open
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« Reply #57 on: January 10, 2011, 10:31:34 pm »

You just have to check who's in the irc, not who's talking. There could be a thread where the server host announces he's putting up the server, but for just quickly seeing who's online and willing to play we could use the irc.
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« Reply #58 on: January 10, 2011, 10:32:02 pm »

irc is also difficult to keep track of as you cannot view past messages without afking forever

which is bad if you're playing gg2 and feel the need to not have irc open
it's not hard to check past messages, you just scroll up

and it's a lot easier if you get mIRC or xchat or something rather than using the mib client in ganggarrison.com
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« Reply #59 on: January 10, 2011, 10:33:22 pm »

why make a new channel when #gg2tourney is currently wide open for use? It's not a tourney but it is at least a bit of a more competitive match and is certainly usable, isn't it?

Realtime chat is faster/more convenient while forums have a sense of permanence. Up to you.
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