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« Reply #90 on: November 21, 2010, 09:29:25 pm » |
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I really can't nominate them until I see a real 4v4 on them. Some we played on were fun, but they may not be so in 4v4.
@Comp: Definitely a problem. I can talk to Kizzi or edit that myself at some point.
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« Reply #91 on: November 21, 2010, 09:30:18 pm » |
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rail = op sniper
Huge-ass sight lines, man.
Host advantage, man. Seriously, it's not as bad as you think. |
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  I dunno man I was like "Oh Boy! I can't wait to see what's goin' on in Random Chatter tonight!" And then everything exploded and the universe itself was like "WELL FUCK YOUR SHIT HAVE A THOUSAND MEGAMANS"
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« Reply #92 on: November 21, 2010, 09:31:53 pm » |
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I really can't nominate them until I see a real 4v4 on them. Some we played on were fun, but they may not be so in 4v4.
@Comp: Definitely a problem. I can talk to Kizzi or edit that myself at some point.
hence why i wanted comp to password it "no we won't get people that way" anger rose significantly. |
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trog
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« Reply #93 on: November 21, 2010, 09:36:47 pm » |
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Meh, anything to promote offclasses is okay with me.
I didn't really feel like the sightlines were very useful, because it's really easy to hide behind the heavy, and there's nit many times where the medic is forced to get out from behind the hoov. Comp would get like 1 hit in on the medic, then get raped because he gave away his position. Maybe I wasn't there long enough to feel the full effect of it, but I hunk it'll make some interesting strategies. There's be like a whole utility sub-fight going in where the teams try and counter snipe or have the scout try and take out the sniper. It would be really annoying if the teams weren't coordinated, but I don't think it should be too much of a problem with good players.
I'm more worried about rocketspam down those paths.
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« Reply #94 on: November 21, 2010, 09:37:36 pm » |
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Ignore typos, I amg on ipood
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« Reply #95 on: November 21, 2010, 09:40:01 pm » |
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If you want, I could host for an organized 4v4. Just need 8 people.
Of course, you don't want me playing, correct?
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« Reply #96 on: November 21, 2010, 09:57:52 pm » |
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If you want, I could host for an organized 4v4. Just need 8 people.
Of course, you don't want me playing, correct?
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I dunno man I was like "Oh Boy! I can't wait to see what's goin' on in Random Chatter tonight!" And then everything exploded and the universe itself was like "WELL FUCK YOUR SHIT HAVE A THOUSAND MEGAMANS"
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« Reply #97 on: November 21, 2010, 10:00:57 pm » |
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I didn't host, though. :S
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« Reply #98 on: November 21, 2010, 10:02:11 pm » |
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Hey comp
wanna test arena_sawmill
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« Reply #99 on: November 21, 2010, 10:03:06 pm » |
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Probably tomorrow, along with another pile of maps they want me to test.
Along with my cp_mushwa map, of course.
I'll edit it until it is at least playable!
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« Reply #100 on: November 21, 2010, 10:17:32 pm » |
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Probably tomorrow, along with another pile of maps they want me to test.
Along with my cp_mushwa map, of course.
I'll edit it until it is at least playable!
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I dunno man I was like "Oh Boy! I can't wait to see what's goin' on in Random Chatter tonight!" And then everything exploded and the universe itself was like "WELL FUCK YOUR SHIT HAVE A THOUSAND MEGAMANS"
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« Reply #101 on: November 21, 2010, 11:52:46 pm » |
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So can you please test aquaductv4?
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« Reply #102 on: November 22, 2010, 12:17:14 pm » |
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I think we're mostly done testing arena maps. We've got about five.
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« Reply #103 on: November 22, 2010, 03:36:29 pm » |
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FYI, having large sight lines without good angles doesn't make sniper OP. This is why ctf_colors isn't as sniper friendly as you guys like to think. If you're cooped up in the top sniper tower, you can only shoot the middle hill and some of the top bridge. If you're on the middle tower (underneath the intel) you can still only hit the same two spots. Sniping on the main route isn't as problematic because it narrows the Rifleman's threat to that area alone. Not to mention that it is easy to get behind a healed meatshield, because they don't have a good angle to hit you from. You can see a lot in straight lines, but you will have a narrow passive space.
Any map that gives large sight lines, few alternate routes, AND good angles to pick off shots makes sniper OP. ctf_classicwell makes sniper OP, because even though the sight line is narrow, there's no alternate path at all to approach (this is a common theme amongst rocketspam locations too).
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« Reply #104 on: November 22, 2010, 08:26:26 pm » |
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FYI, having large sight lines without good angles doesn't make sniper OP. This is why ctf_colors isn't as sniper friendly as you guys like to think. If you're cooped up in the top sniper tower, you can only shoot the middle hill and some of the top bridge. If you're on the middle tower (underneath the intel) you can still only hit the same two spots. Sniping on the main route isn't as problematic because it narrows the Rifleman's threat to that area alone. Not to mention that it is easy to get behind a healed meatshield, because they don't have a good angle to hit you from. You can see a lot in straight lines, but you will have a narrow passive space.
Any map that gives large sight lines, few alternate routes, AND good angles to pick off shots makes sniper OP. ctf_classicwell makes sniper OP, because even though the sight line is narrow, there's no alternate path at all to approach (this is a common theme amongst rocketspam locations too).
exactly. also it's a common theme as rocketspam follows the exact same principle, a projectile or bullet that travels straight forward. TL;DR: sniper is OP and rocketspam happens (most often) only when the sight lines are long (straight paths), there aren't many other routes besides the straight/long ones, and there are nice places form which to shoot everyone (good angles) |
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