Fixing spy

[[BBY] Anonymous[GGI]]

OUR COMMUNITY IS BETTER THAN (shudders) GG2 FORUMS  ROBLOX.

[nealshireman]

OUR COMMUNITY IS BETTER THAN (shudders) GG2 FORUMS  ROBLOX.

No matter what we do to spy, the community is gonna find something to whine about.

That's true of nearly everything. No point in holding back.

At least our community is a little better than the (shudder) STEAM FORUMS.

and the dosgames.com forums

[♫Sani Sani Disco♫]

No blood droplets, hp scanner, revolver buff maybe, extended flickering maybe. These are pretty much the most logical suggestions I see gameplay-wise that I can remember seeing. I'm getting old.

[Phantom Brave]

I don't believe the revolver can take a buff.

[BLADE MASTER EEE (EXCITING VERSION)]

The damage buff is only increased by a small amount. What's the concern here? You can't make a post like that and not elaborate.

[Phantom Brave]

I feel like any careable change would be excessive. Its balance is fragile.

[BLADE MASTER EEE (EXCITING VERSION)]

One of the most difficult aspects of infiltrating is judging when an enemy is viable for attack, as your weapons, while very capable, are not nearly as strong as those of most enemies, who can and will end your life very quickly. Being able to see how much health they have left (within a limited range, I assume) and being able to kill relatively quickly is extremely important. If you linger, you'll be found out, and end up a pile of gibs.

[Orpheon]

One of the most difficult aspects of infiltrating is judging when an enemy is viable for attack, as your weapons, while very capable, are not nearly as strong as those of most enemies, who can and will end your life very quickly. Being able to see how much health they have left (within a limited range, I assume) and being able to kill relatively quickly is extremely important. If you linger, you'll be found out, and end up a pile of gibs.

This is enough for the spy. Revolver dmg buff to 28 and hp scanner would be my proposal. Not much else is needed.

[[BBY] Anonymous[GGI]]

I agree with Orpheon. 

[trog]

The new spy works something like this (as far as fixing stabbing along is concerned):

However, the "origin" of the collision line is no longer in the center of the spy, but near the neck and head instead.

Wait, you mean no more stabbing people on boxes? I'd rather have unstabbable sentries...

That just broke tons of cool stabs

[trog]

No blood droplets, hp scanner, revolver buff maybe, extended flickering maybe. These are pretty much the most logical suggestions I see gameplay-wise that I can remember seeing. I'm getting old.

I think that'd be enough for 2.3, and if spy is still pretty useless we'll need to start thinking about sappers and a DR.

Also maybe shortening the time after the stab actually attacks. That way it shortens the stab without people having to relearn it.

[[BBY] Anonymous[GGI]]

I don't see how sappers could be useful. 

[♫Sani Sani Disco♫]

Bah, Feature Request threads always bring out the worst in me. I gave my two cents, spend it well.

[trog]

I don't see how sappers could be useful. 

Then open your eyes...? How can instantly disabling sentries not be useful? The problem with the current way of dealing with sentries (stabbing them) is that it takes so long and you're just asking for a rocket to the face. With a sapper you could quickly disable the sentry without getting blown up.

[♫Sani Sani Disco♫]

With the knife, you have a chance of killing the sentry and the engie.
The stabs are close enough to instantaneous, so you don't have to worry about getting killed as long as you get the job done.
And the sapper doesn't quite work that way in this game. Sentries build fast, most engies realise this and spam like motherfuckers until their metal is 50 so they can rebuild anyway, all the sapper would do is put a tiny amount of extra strain on the game when it has to decide whether to stab the engie or sap the sentry when they're both on top of each other when you could just stab and get it over with.

I need to take out my stupid detector every once in a while.